# New Book Allegation: Bill Clinton Rapes Hillary, Chelsea Conceived **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 13, 2005, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129 "2005-06-13T19:27:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/61 "2005-06-14T17:29:01Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > Completely seriously, I think that Hillary in '08 might be good for US. As candidate, or as president? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/62 "2005-06-14T17:37:52Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > As candidate, or as president? The latter, which of course presupposes the former. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/63 "2005-06-14T18:57:10Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Lies and gossip have been part of politics since at least Ancient Greece (Pericles’s enemies tried to make political hay over Pericles’s mistress) People are just pointing out that both sides do it. Now I’m wondering if anyone has done a hand-count of the number of Clinton-bashing books vs. Bush-bashing books. Strictly on non-policy-based[sup]\*[/sup], this-peson-is-an-evil-schemer stuff, I suspect the anti-Clinton titles vastly outnumber the anti-Bush titles. [sup]\*[/sup]_Since, as mentioned before, criticism of government policy is fair game…_ ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/64 "2005-06-14T19:31:22Z")
Looks like _The Weekly World News_ and _National Enquirer_ teamed-up to make a hard cover special edition. ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/65 "2005-06-14T19:52:00Z")
I’m sure there are left wing sites and blogs that have accused Shrub of murder, and probably rape as well, but they’re pathetic nobodies that have gotten maybe 100 hits in their entire existence. Drudge gets two million hits a day, and after all this time he is still the centerpiece of the conservative presence on the internet. his behavior is a good indicator of what American conservatives find acceptable, and another totally false allegaton of rape is business as usual for him. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/66 "2005-06-14T20:50:02Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Strictly on non-policy-based[sup]\*[/sup], this-peson-is-an-evil-schemer stuff, I suspect the anti-Clinton titles vastly outnumber the anti-Bush titles. > > [sup]\*[/sup]_Since, as mentioned before, criticism of government policy is fair game…_ Is it always, though? For example, the book, “The Year of the Rat”, is clearly criticism of government policy…in that case, Clinton’s China policy. It claims that Clinton favored China to the extent of compromising US security in exchange for illegal contributions to the DNC. So, is that fair, or sleazy? Or, what about Barbara Olsen’s “The Final Days”? Part of it is an attack on the Clintons’ beliefs, part of it on elements of their personality she doesn’t like, and part of it is on Bill Clinton’s policies…his pardons and executive orders issued near the end of the administration. So, is that book fair, or is it not? ---
**Author:** ![Carnac\_the\_Magnificent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Carnac\_the\_Magnificent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carnac_the_Magnificent)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/67 "2005-06-14T21:25:06Z")
> [@ITR champion](#): > > Matt Drudge gets two million hits a day … his behavior is a good indicator of what American conservatives find acceptable Notable exception: Matt Drudge is a closet gay. Confirmation: Numerous sources–none from the Drudge Report, of course. ---
**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/68 "2005-06-14T22:09:26Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Giving somebody money does not exactly ensure a nomination. John Kerry was nearly broke a month or two before he won in Iowa. True. I gotta figure that that the whole idea of this book is just to sell copies and make money. Republicans ought to salivate at the thought of Hillary as the prez candidate in 2008. If the Republicans can’t beat anyone as liberal as her in 2008, they are in real trouble for the next election. ---
**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/69 "2005-06-14T22:13:06Z")
> [@Carnac the Magnificent!](#): > > Notable exception: Matt Drudge is a closet gay. > > Confirmation: Numerous sources–none from the Drudge Report, of course. Care to cite these sources so that we can evaluate their credibility? Not that it matters much to me, given that my politics are anarcho-syndicalist and Matt Drudge would carry no credibility with me even if someone could produce a video of him in a sex crazed orgy with a dozen cute chicks. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/70 "2005-06-14T22:19:27Z")
> [@ITR champion](#): > > I’m sure there are left wing sites and blogs that have accused Shrub of murder, and probably rape as well, but they’re pathetic nobodies that have gotten maybe 100 hits in their entire existence. Drudge gets two million hits a day, and after all this time he is still the centerpiece of the conservative presence on the internet. his behavior is a good indicator of what American conservatives find acceptable, and another totally false allegaton of rape is business as usual for him. I absolutely reject the claim that Drudge’s behavior is a good indicator of what American conservatives find acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/71 "2005-06-14T22:41:52Z")
> [@rfgdxm](#): > > True. I gotta figure that that the whole idea of this book is just to sell copies and make money. I’m sure he wants the money, but what I meant was that I think Klein is using what is now a standard tactic: make an allegation against someone, and get your side of the media commentariat to repeat it until the mainstream news media has to cover it. By that point, even if your opponent denies it ever happened, it hardly matters. > [@](#): > > Republicans ought to salivate at the thought of Hillary as the prez candidate in 2008. If the Republicans can’t beat anyone as liberal as her in 2008, they are in real trouble for the next election. I love it. Republicans say she’s too liberal, Democrats say she’s too centrist. Are we even on the same planet anymore? ---
**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/72 "2005-06-14T22:46:46Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I love it. Republicans say she’s too liberal, Democrats say she’s too centrist. Are we even on the same planet anymore? How many Dems think she is too centrist? I like Hillary. What Dem should I support who is well to the left of her? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/73 "2005-06-14T23:06:06Z")
> [@rfgdxm](#): > > How many Dems think she is too centrist? I like Hillary. What Dem should I support who is well to the left of her? Do you want me to conduct a straw poll? I have no idea who’s going to run in 2008, but Hillary’s record in Congress is not that of an extreme liberal. She’s gone out of her way to work with Republicans so she could refute that charge. Did you notice how many appearances she made with Lindsay Graham, who gets ranked as one of the more conservative Republicans? Last month she held a press conference with _Newt Gingrich_. I’m not telling you not to support Hillary, I was only saying I find the dissonance amusing. It’s not like you’re the first person who has made that kind of statement. Myself? I don’t relish the idea of voting for Hillary, and I didn’t vote for her in 2000. But if she ran the right campaign, or if I got desperate, maybe I would. I don’t need to decide right now, so I won’t. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2005, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/74 "2005-06-14T23:12:42Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Is it always, though? For example, the book, “The Year of the Rat”, is clearly criticism of government policy…in that case, Clinton’s China policy. It claims that Clinton favored China to the extent of compromising US security in exchange for illegal contributions to the DNC. So, is that fair, or sleazy? Yeah, I know, categorization of those books isn’t always clear-cut. That’s why I haven’t bothered to undertake such an endeavor. 🙂 > [@Bricker](#): > > I absolutely reject the claim that Drudge’s behavior is a good indicator of what American conservatives find acceptable. Yeah, that’s what O’Reiley and Coulter and Limbaugh are for. 😃 > [@rfgdxm](#): > > How many Dems think she is too centrist? I wouldn’t say she’s _too_ centrist, but I find the notion that the Clintons are way-out-left radicals to be rather laughable. A “radical lefty” Bill Clinton certainly wouldn’t have signed NAFTA, for instance. Or, as Michael Moore likes to say, “Bill Clinton was the best Republican president we had.” The Clintons, however, are IMO definitely easier to tolerate than anyone the GOP has nominated in the last 20 years… ---
**Author:** ![Carnac\_the\_Magnificent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Carnac\_the\_Magnificent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carnac_the_Magnificent)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2005, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/75 "2005-06-15T01:09:53Z")
> [@rfgdxm](#): > > Care to cite these sources so that we can evaluate their credibility? Not that it matters much to me, given that my politics are anarcho-syndicalist and Matt Drudge would carry no credibility with me even if someone could produce a video of him in a sex crazed orgy with a dozen cute chicks. Ok, but I hope you’re not expecting the New York Times–not that the Times’ credbility has been sterling, as of late. How does this link titilate you?: [http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:XWdDdC7D2jwJ:www.buzzflash.com/editorial/04/07/edi04050.html+"matt+drudge"+gay&hl=en](http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:XWdDdC7D2jwJ:www.buzzflash.com/editorial/04/07/edi04050.html+%22matt+drudge%22+gay&hl=en) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Highwayman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Highwayman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Highwayman)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/76 "2005-06-17T10:46:44Z")
\*Is it just me or does anyone else have the secret desire to blackjack Matt Sludge in the back of the head down some dark alley one night. You know, the moon is full and he is out “on assignment” and WHAMMO!. Thus ends the career of a journalist that could be said to be like a cross between Edward R. Murrow and the smell of ass. \* I’m sorry, I was just fantasizing. The difference between this book and the books about Bush (such as **The Price of Loyalty** ), is that the Bush books contain decent arguments grounded in facts and are not written by Bush butt-sniffers. In the case of the TPOL, it was written by a conservative who was a Bush cabinet member. You are comparing these two books how? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/77 "2005-06-17T10:57:37Z")
In that case, you’ve legitimized Dick Morris’s books about Bill and Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![AndyMatts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@AndyMatts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndyMatts)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/78 "2005-06-17T16:47:05Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Admittedly, these are from 2004: > > Worse than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George Bush-John Dean > > Prelude to Terror: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty, the Rogue CIA and the Compromising of American Intelligence-Joseph Trento > > Crimes Against Nature: How George W. Bush and his Corporate Pals are Plundering the Country and Hijacking our Democracy-Robert Kennedy, Jr. > > Bushworld: Enter at Your Own Risk-Maureen Dowd > > House of Bush, House of Saud:The Secret Relationship between the World’s Two Most Powerful Dynasties-Craig Unger > > American Dynasty:Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush-Kevin Phillips > > Losing America: Confronting a Reckless and Arrogant Presidency-Robert Byrd > > Cruel and Unusual:Bush/Cheney’s New World Order-Mark Miller > > With God on their Side: How Christian Fundamentalists Trampled Science, Policy, and Democracy in George W. Bush’s White House-Esther Kaplan > > All the President’s Spin: George W. Bush, the Media, and the Truth-Ben Fritz, et al. > > The Lies of George W. Bush-David Corn > > Strategic Ignorance: Why the Bush Administration Is Recklessly Destroying a Century of Environmental Progress-Carl Pope > > The Book on Bush: How George W. (Mis)leads America-Eric Alterman > > Lets Stop Beating around the Bush-Jim Hightower > > That should be 13. I could go on if you wanted, though. I don’t think books about Bush I should count as Bush II/Shrub. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/79 "2005-06-17T20:49:47Z")
> [@AndyMatts](#): > > I don’t think books about Bush I should count as Bush II/Shrub. All those books are about Bush II, except for a few, which are about the entire Bush family as a unit, including Bush II. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129.md?page=3)