# New book by two Dopers - the truth about vaccines **URL:** \ **Category:** Marketplace\ **Created:** [August 16, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631 "2012-08-16T00:43:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2014, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/204 "2014-08-23T00:49:28Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Wherein I recently pwned [an anti-vax idiot](http://webtalkradio.net/internet-talk-radio/2013/01/14/parenting-with-playdate-planet-the-vaccination-debate/) on a podcast. > > 😃 Very late, but: good job. That guy was absolutely embarrassing. Basically every BS antivaxxer trope in the book, and you did a pretty damn good job of shredding them. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/206 "2014-09-05T14:26:18Z")
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**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/208 "2014-09-07T22:56:08Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Very late, but: good job. That guy was absolutely embarrassing. Basically every BS antivaxxer trope in the book, and you did a pretty damn good job of shredding them. Agreed. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/209 "2014-09-08T01:13:49Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Very late, but: good job. That guy was absolutely embarrassing. Basically every BS antivaxxer trope in the book, and you did a pretty damn good job of shredding them. > [@splatterpunk](#): > > Agreed. Well done. Thank you. Markus wrote following vile article about me: [http://www.fhfn.org/shocking-vaccine-proponents-claiming-vaccine-injured-children-only-collateral-damage/](http://www.fhfn.org/shocking-vaccine-proponents-claiming-vaccine-injured-children-only-collateral-damage/) Sad, stupid, little bastard. One day he’s going to finally stop hating his poor child because she’s broken in his eyes. And one day they’re going to develop a vaccine to prevent type I diabetes and blow his tiny mind. He’s also a miserable, lying coward. He posted a nasty review of the book on Amazon. He denied it even though the false name he used was the exact same name he used to reply to comments people were making about his self published drivel. When confronted on it in pm’s he offered to take the review down if we would stop mocking him online and stop writing comments about his shitty little piece of creative typing. I don’t respond to blackmail so I told the fuck to go to hell. He took it down without apology. He wrote another hit piece on me right afterwards. In the comments, several posters stated they would like to hurt me and my children. Rather than being a decent human being and indicating that threats of physical violence are not acceptable, he agreed with the threats. Then the NVIC, an anti-vax organization run by that lying bitch Barbara Loe Fisher, ran the article on their Facebook page, complete with comments urging physical harm against me and my daughters. I am not against freedom of speech but I think we can all agree that no one should be allowed to suggest that a lynch mob show up and hurt a mother and her two little girls. They finally removed it about 24 hours later. He’s a lousy parent who should give his poor child up to someone to raise who doesn’t see her as broken because she has a chronic but treatable medical condition. He teaches. If he did so in my school district I would do everything I could to get his ass fired, especially after he admitted to showing up in school sick from the flu. He basically shrugged and suggested it would probably help the students develop better immune systems. Given that his own poor child probably has less resistance to the flu because of her medical condition, he’s also an irrational lunatic who could have easily put her in danger. He’s a toad. A boil on the ass of humanity. A insult to common sense and scientific progress. A Luddite mindlessly smashing things because he fails to understand them. I would gladly see him sent to a small island somewhere where he can lobby for all the contagious diseases he likes and not hurt anyone else in the process. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/210 "2014-09-08T01:22:04Z")
When you’re ready, tell us how you really feel. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/211 "2014-09-08T01:41:17Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > When you’re ready, tell us how you really feel. 😉 I would tell you what my husband said about him, but I don’t think that kind of language is allowed in this forum. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2014, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/212 "2014-09-08T16:30:09Z")
I _loved_ the way he painted every parent who vaccinates according to the CDC schedule as “irresponsible”, because they were “following a bandwagon”. Yes, nothing says “responsible parenting” like unnecessarily exposing your child to disease. What a disgusting cunt. People like that deserve to get smallpox. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/213 "2014-09-13T20:39:48Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I _loved_ the way he painted every parent who vaccinates according to the CDC schedule as “irresponsible”, because they were “following a bandwagon”. Yes, nothing says “responsible parenting” like unnecessarily exposing your child to disease. What a disgusting cunt. People like that deserve to get smallpox. But their kids _don’t_. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/214 "2014-09-14T02:57:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > But their kids _don’t_. Indeed, that’s the truly depressing part about all of this. These fuckwits aren’t the ones to suffer. Their children are. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/215 "2014-09-14T03:31:01Z")
Many vaccine preventable diseases are hugely contagious. For example, measles. It will infect about 90% plus of all people coming into contact with it if they are not vaccinated. Hep b can linger on surfaces for up to a week. The only vaccine-preventable illness that is not contagious is tetanus. The problem with many vaccine-preventable illnesses is that they are horrible on babies and young children and far more dangerous than in adults. For example, you and I may not enjoy a bout of pertussis but we’ll often shrug it off. A baby, OTOH, faces a one in two hundred and fifty risk of death and a one in a hundred risk of brain damage. A small child will run a huge risk of liver cancer from Hep b that an adult will not. A baby who gets measles will run a risk of the fatal complication known as SSPE that again adults do not. This is why delaying is dumb. It doesn’t reduce [the risk of a vaccine reaction.](http://shotofprevention.com/2013/10/15/new-evidence-of-risk-from-delaying-vaccines/)It does leave babies and young children deliberately vulnerable when they are most at risk. It is IMO the reason why the anti-vax stance is so cruel. Jenny McCarthy will probably not be at risk from a measles outbreak. The same cannot be said of the same children she allegedly wants to protect. ---
**Author:** ![Kevbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e47774/32.png) [@Kevbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kevbo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2014, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/216 "2014-09-21T03:16:56Z")
I start a new job Monday. There is a good chance of occasional contact with raw sewage. The employer encourages and pays for hep-B vaccinations. I won’t be opting out. I am current on DPT as well. Also I have been plugging the book on free-thinker/skeptic sites. Thanks for the effort and enduring the rage of fools. You have done the world a service. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/217 "2014-09-22T03:26:11Z")
> [@Kevbo](#): > > I start a new job Monday. There is a good chance of occasional contact with raw sewage. The employer encourages and pays for hep-B vaccinations. I won’t be opting out. I am current on DPT as well. > > Also I have been plugging the book on free-thinker/skeptic sites. > > Thanks for the effort and enduring the rage of fools. You have done the world a service. That’s very kind of you. Thank you. FYI, I present to you what Ms. Lucy Brenton thought of the book and me (in the comments section): > **[Jewish Journal](https://jewishjournal.com/jews_and_mormons/)** > [@](#): > > Lucy Brenton · Follow · Top Commenter · Indiana University – Purdue University Indianapolis · 103 followers > > Stacy Mintzer Herlihy Oh look! It’s the big pHARMa shill who wrote the meaningless book forwarded by dr. Off-it for Profit. You know, the guy who sold his rotavirus vaccine patent for nearly $200,000,000??? Yeah, his profits are estimated at $42,000,000 just for his share of the patent. Poisoning helpless babies is pretty profitable. I guess being an “author” of a book whose talking points are all made for you by the manufacturer should make you credible. Clearly, Stacy, you’re a hack. You’re writing style sucks. I didn’t pay to read your book - I read it at the local library. It was not only poorly written, but was fool of so many errors and so much disinformation that I wasn’t aware you could fit that much crap on a single printed page. I suppose I am “fool of errors” but then what you do expect of a HARM? 😃 This is the same person who asked if I was a ghostwriter. Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2014, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/218 "2014-09-22T12:41:34Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > This is the same person who asked if I was a ghostwriter. Heh. I’ve been accused online of really being Paul Offit under an assumed name. What should I do with my hundreds of millions of ill-gotten dollars (or billions, I forget exactly how much pHARMa paid me)? Buy a small country and forcibly vaccinate all the inhabitants? ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/219 "2014-09-23T18:13:29Z")
That article annoyed me so I wrote to the editor of the Jewish Journal. He gave me equal time! 🙂 > **[Why I have vaccinated my daughters](https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/opinion/133577/)** > > I have two girls, ages three and eleven. My daughters have gotten every last vaccine I can possibly get for them. I have done the same for myself. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/220 "2014-09-23T19:00:36Z")
I read it on facebook and commented. Good on you! ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/221 "2014-09-23T21:12:05Z")
…_Awesome_. You go girl! Slight critique: > [@](#): > > Because polio isn’t quite gone from the planet I think you mean Smallpox. 😛 And of course, Anne “Should Get Smallpox And Die In A Fire” Dachel has started spamming the comments section. Anything you can do about that? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/222 "2014-09-23T21:35:01Z")
Also, if one of you is Dorit, hi-five. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/223 "2014-09-23T21:40:16Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I read it on facebook and commented. Good on you! Thank you. > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > …_Awesome_. You go girl! Slight critique: > > I think you mean Smallpox. 😛 > > And of course, Anne “Should Get Smallpox And Die In A Fire” Dachel has started spamming the comments section. Anything you can do about that? I am not going to comment. They will jump on me and I don’t have the energy. It’s all I can do not rip out Dachel’s face sometimes. She keeps yammering on about how parents have understandable fears on this issue. The reason why? Because of idiots like her! I also want to tell her to take her unvaccinated vs. vaccinated study calls and then jump out of plane without a parachute with them. Because I don’t think parachutes work so she needs to prove me wrong. > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Also, if one of you is Dorit, hi-five. Seriously. Dorit is the way coolest person but she is not me or Kolga. She’s a law professor and an all around amazing person. I’ve had the honor of meeting her but that’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/224 "2014-09-23T21:43:20Z")
Mike Godfrey. _shudders_ ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/225 "2014-09-23T23:31:47Z")
Ugh. How do you put up with these people all the time. One evening and I’m burnt out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631.md?page=12)