# New book by two Dopers - the truth about vaccines **URL:** \ **Category:** Marketplace\ **Created:** [August 16, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631 "2012-08-16T00:43:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/101 "2012-09-13T16:17:14Z")
> [@Docta\_G](#): > > My son is autistic, and I am well familiar with autism-spectrum disorders and ABA therapy, etc. Same here. > [@](#): > > I won’t be buying your hack book. I did buy it, and I will explain why if you open up a separate thread. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/102 "2012-09-13T17:43:52Z")
> [@Docta\_G](#): > > My son is autistic, and I am well familiar with autism-spectrum disorders and ABA therapy, etc. > > I won’t be buying your hack book. How do you know it’s a hack book if you won’t buy it? I’m assuming you also haven’t read it. Nevertheless I think your post is a useful example of why the OP book is unlikely to fix the antivax problem in short order. People have always “just known” stuff, and enduring the illuminating machinery of logic is often more painful to endure than clinging to being wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/103 "2012-09-13T18:44:48Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Nevertheless I think your post is a useful example of why the OP book is unlikely to fix the antivax problem in short order. People have always “just known” stuff, and enduring the illuminating machinery of logic is often more painful to endure than clinging to being wrong. You are right, which is why we didn’t write the book for the anti-vaccine movement. They won’t be convinced, they won’t be moved, and they won’t read it anyway. We wrote it for parents who’ve “heard things” about vaccines, and just aren’t sure what the deal is about them. We addressed the major anti-vaccine myths and talked about where they came from, why they’re being perpetuated, and what the science says about them. That way, we’re hopeful that those parents who aren’t anti-vax but are confused can get the scientifically valid information. ---
**Author:** ![Docta\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Docta\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Docta_G)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/104 "2012-09-13T18:46:50Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > How do you know it’s a hack book if you won’t buy it? I’m assuming you also haven’t read it. > > Nevertheless I think your post is a useful example of why the OP book is unlikely to fix the antivax problem in short order. People have always “just known” stuff, and enduring the illuminating machinery of logic is often more painful to endure than clinging to being wrong. Nice straw man. You’re grossly underestimating what a lot of other people know about autism. I never said I wouldn’t read it, just that I won’t be buying it. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/105 "2012-09-13T18:49:50Z")
So educate us, but in another thread. This is a thread of celebration, not discord. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/106 "2012-09-13T19:00:57Z")
> [@Docta\_G](#): > > Nice straw man. You’re grossly underestimating what a lot of other people know about autism. > > I never said I wouldn’t read it, just that I won’t be buying it. You criticized the book without having read it. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/107 "2012-09-13T19:10:45Z")
I’m kind of curious why you mentioned being familiar with applied behavior analysis (ABA), since it has nothing to do with vaccines. Just a general sign of being well-informed? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/108 "2012-09-13T19:15:58Z")
> [@Docta\_G](#): > > Nice straw man. You’re grossly underestimating what a lot of other people know about autism. Bring it. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/109 "2012-09-13T19:23:13Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > You are right, which is why we didn’t write the book for the anti-vaccine movement. They won’t be convinced, they won’t be moved, and they won’t read it anyway. We wrote it for parents who’ve “heard things” about vaccines, and just aren’t sure what the deal is about them. We addressed the major anti-vaccine myths and talked about where they came from, why they’re being perpetuated, and what the science says about them. That way, we’re hopeful that those parents who aren’t anti-vax but are confused can get the scientifically valid information. We were also aiming to to help provide resources for the pro-vaccine parent or interested observer to gently correct their anti-vax friends, co-workers and relatives. Or at least reassure themselves they are right on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/110 "2012-09-13T19:32:30Z")
Bought it today, BTW. Didn’t come in here just to threadshit. Sorry for not being cooler. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/111 "2012-09-13T20:28:17Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > We were also aiming to to help provide resources for the pro-vaccine parent or interested observer to gently correct their anti-vax friends, co-workers and relatives. Or at least reassure themselves they are right on this issue. We really need a “like” button on this board 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/112 "2012-09-14T01:15:33Z")
To continue the thread shit in a minor way, now that I see why you wrote the book it can be forgiven. I thought you where trying to give ammunition to fight against the anti-vaxxers. If that was the case, using Dr. Offit would have just made the antivaxxers say “see”. Not that the man isn’t doing everything right of course. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2012, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/113 "2012-09-20T00:40:30Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Bought it today, BTW. I got my copy today. Looking forward to reading it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2012, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/114 "2012-10-05T05:37:10Z")
I have read the book and gave it a rave review on Amazon. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2012, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/115 "2012-10-07T18:20:38Z")
We’re doing a podcast about the book this weekend with the radio program Skeptically Speaking. You’ll be able to hear us next Friday. > **[Skeptically speaking](http://skepticallyspeaking.ca/)** > [@](#): > > We record live with Allison Hagood and Stacy Herlihy on Sunday, October 7 at 6 pm MT. The podcast will be available to download at 9 pm MT on Friday, October 12. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2012, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/116 "2012-10-07T22:12:47Z")
I’ll try and give it a listen 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![pbbth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@pbbth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pbbth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2012, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/117 "2012-10-08T21:19:27Z")
I posted your amazon link on my facebook page. May you sell a bazillion copies and become super wealthy while saving lives of children across the globe! ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2012, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/118 "2012-10-13T00:49:05Z")
> [@pbbth](#): > > I posted your amazon link on my facebook page. May you sell a bazillion copies and become super wealthy while saving lives of children across the globe! Thank you. You can hear our podcast now: > **[Skeptically speaking](https://skepticallyspeaking.ca)** ---
**Author:** ![Junkman209](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/junkman209/32/5522_2.png) [@Junkman209](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junkman209)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2012, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/119 "2012-10-13T22:55:24Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > You can hear our podcast now: > > [Skeptically speaking](http://skepticallyspeaking.ca/episodes/184-your-babys-best-shot) Wonderful! I’m listening to the podcast now. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/120 "2012-10-16T16:36:59Z")
> [@Junkman209](#): > > Wonderful! I’m listening to the podcast now. Thank you. I’ll be speaking about the book at the [words] bookstore in Maplewood, NJ this Sunday. [http://wordsbookstore.com/category/events/](http://wordsbookstore.com/category/events/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631.md?page=7)