# New book by two Dopers - the truth about vaccines

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631>\
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**Created:** [August 16, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631 "2012-08-16T00:43:22Z")\
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**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\
**Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/121 "2012-10-16T20:12:56Z")

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Denver-area Dopers: I’ll be doing a public event at the Student Union on the Auraria campus, downtown Denver, on Tuesday, November 13, from 4:30 - 6:30.

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**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2012, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/122 "2012-10-19T21:29:41Z")

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Interview with me about the book in our local paper. I made the front page.

😃

> **[Roseland resident writes book about childhood vaccinations](https://www.newjerseyhills.com/the_progress/news/roseland-resident-writes-book-about-childhood-vaccinations/article_170da6ee-187c-11e2-8186-001a4bcf887a.html)**
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> While mandatory vaccinations continue to be a topic of disagreement among many parents and physicians, borough resident and freelance writer, Stacy Mintzer Herlihy, has just co-authored a book titled “Your

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**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\
**Post date:** [October 19, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/123 "2012-10-19T22:23:45Z")

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Neat!

So how much hatemail have you gotten from people who Know The Truth and want to expose the Fact that you’re Just A Tool Of Big Pharma And Maybe The Illuminati And Probably That Other Political Party?

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**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2012, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/124 "2012-10-20T00:11:23Z")

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> [@Mama\_Zappa](#):
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> Neat!
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> So how much hatemail have you gotten from people who Know The Truth and want to expose the Fact that you’re Just A Tool Of Big Pharma And Maybe The Illuminati And Probably That Other Political Party?

Nothing personally. At least not yet. We did get a stupid review on Amazon from an idiot.

Maybe my area has a tinfoil shortage?

😃

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**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2012, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/125 "2012-10-20T00:56:21Z")

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Someone created a hate page against me on Facebook. It’s been removed since then. I’ve gotten a few private messages on FB of people threatening to find me or show up at one of my events and punch me in the face. A few public posts on FB have threatened harm to me through forcing multiple vaccinations on me (of course, _I_ don’t consider those threats of harm, but since they consider vaccines poisons, they clearly _mean_ for them to be threats of harm).

All in all, a pretty normal thing. 😃

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [October 20, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/126 "2012-10-20T02:03:43Z")

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> [@LavenderBlue](#):
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> Nothing personally. At least not yet. We did get a stupid review on Amazon from an idiot.

Yeah, but you got six very Good reviews, including one from me, and dudes are panning the hell out of that stupid review\*.

- which is the right thing to do, as it is- stupid. But my SDMB friends- please do not mark as unhelpful a review you just disagree with, if it is well written. In other words, in you love Avatar but someone gives it \*\* but gives a well written explanation why- then that should NOT be marked “NO” Under “Was this review helpful to you?”. OTOH, if you find a review helpful- please mark it “Yes”. This gives us more rational reviewers, who give good reviews to great books (like the OP’s) some some feeling our work is appreciated. Thank you.

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**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\
**Post date:** [October 22, 2012, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/127 "2012-10-22T02:49:53Z")

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My [facebook page with video of my and my youngest child at the book event.](http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=315804235193156) If you live in the northern area of NJ or are just stopping through on your way to somewhere else, I highly recommend a stop at the [words] bookstore in the center of lovely Maplewood. The Zimiles family runs it. They have a son who is severely autistic. Their bookstore is devoted to helping support and employ people who have the condition. I spoke to Jonah Zimiles. He is a kind and thoughtful man who is doing a truly good thing in this world.

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**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\
**Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/128 "2012-10-25T03:16:13Z")

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I’ll be doing a presentation at Children’s Hospital in Denver tomorrow. It’s for providers and members of the Colorado Children’s Immunization Coalition only, but it’s my first big event, so I’m still gonna brag about it 😃

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**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\
**Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/129 "2012-10-25T10:48:16Z")

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That’s fantastic! Brag away!

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**Author:** ![Kevbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e47774/32.png) [@Kevbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kevbo)\
**Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/130 "2012-10-29T20:07:32Z")

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I am buying a Kindle edition mostly to support fellow dopers. I am childless by choice, so have no dog in this fight. (well, actually I do own a dog, but I digress…) Anti-vaxer parents make me crazy already, and I fear reading this book will not be good for my nerves. It is not as if they will be convinced by mere facts, but what the hell, maybe I’ll learn one thing that will make one idiot parent stop and think.

I also posted a link to your Amazon listing on FB. With any luck the woman who keeps posting anti-vaxer propaganda will un-friend me over that.

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**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/131 "2012-11-08T16:31:17Z")

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I’ve got two publicity events coming up next week, for any Denver-area Dopers (or anyone else interested).

The first is Tuesday, November 13, from 4:30 - 6:30 in the Tivoli Student Union on the Auraria Campus: [http://www.childrensimmunization.org/YourBabysBestShot](http://www.childrensimmunization.org/YourBabysBestShot)

The second is Thursday, November 15, from 3 - 5:30 at Children’s Hospital. It’s for CCIC members and healthcare providers: [http://www.childrensimmunization.org/allisonhagood](http://www.childrensimmunization.org/allisonhagood)

I’m excited! And very nervous 🙂

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**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/132 "2012-11-08T16:52:41Z")

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> [@Kolga](#):
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> I’ve got two publicity events coming up next week, for any Denver-area Dopers (or anyone else interested).
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> The first is Tuesday, November 13, from 4:30 - 6:30 in the Tivoli Student Union on the Auraria Campus: [http://www.childrensimmunization.org/YourBabysBestShot](http://www.childrensimmunization.org/YourBabysBestShot)
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> The second is Thursday, November 15, from 3 - 5:30 at Children’s Hospital. It’s for CCIC members and healthcare providers: [http://www.childrensimmunization.org/allisonhagood](http://www.childrensimmunization.org/allisonhagood)
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> I’m excited! And very nervous 🙂

Good luck!

I’ll be at the Roseland, NJ public library on the 19th to talk about the book.

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**Author:** ![SkeptiJess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@SkeptiJess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkeptiJess)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/133 "2012-11-08T20:44:20Z")

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Wow. I listened to the Skeptically Speaking interview on the day it came out, enjoyed it thoroughly, and added the book to my Nook wishlist, all without knowing it was authored by Dopers!

I haven’t been around much lately, but just happened to pop in today and notice this good news and I felt I needed to come in and give you both big congratulations. Once I read the book, I’ll be sure to post reviews on both Amazon & B&N. Good for you both fighting the good fight!

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/134 "2012-11-08T20:53:25Z")

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Along the lines here is this:

[http://theworstthingsforsale.com/page/2](http://theworstthingsforsale.com/page/2)

For the very bad book “Vaccine Epidemic”. What’s sad is that there are nearly 70 rave \*\*\*\*\* reviews for this lying dogshit book. It’s also outselling our OP’s fine book by quite a bit.

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**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/135 "2012-11-08T21:00:21Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Along the lines here is this:
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> [http://theworstthingsforsale.com/page/2](http://theworstthingsforsale.com/page/2)
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> For the very bad book “Vaccine Epidemic”. What’s sad is that there are nearly 70 rave \*\*\*\*\* reviews for this lying dogshit book. It’s also outselling our OP’s fine book by quite a bit.

While “Vaccine Epidemic”'s subtitles denounce “corporate greed” and “biased science” the book includes a chapter defending Andrew Wakefield. Apparently the authors have been successfully vaccinated against irony.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/136 "2012-11-08T22:23:12Z")

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Nope. Immune to start with. As Boris said about Bullwinkle T Moose “No brain, no effect!”

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**Author:** ![Washoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)\
**Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/137 "2012-11-10T17:16:39Z")

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If I buy a copy, do I still owe you the chocolate?

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**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\
**Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/138 "2012-11-15T19:00:57Z")

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> [@LavenderBlue](#):
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> Good luck!
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> I’ll be at the Roseland, NJ public library on the 19th to talk about the book.

I’m just quoting this to remind New Jersey fans of this upcoming event.

Also, I have a presentation to healthcare providers and CCIC members today at Children’s Hospital of Colorado.

Monday, I have a presentation to the Immunization Delivery Research Group at the Anschutz Center at CHC.

We’ve been invited to do a series of op-eds and contributions to various publications and will post those links when they are available.

> [@SkeptiJess](#):
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> Wow. I listened to the Skeptically Speaking interview on the day it came out, enjoyed it thoroughly, and added the book to my Nook wishlist, all without knowing it was authored by Dopers!
> 
> I haven’t been around much lately, but just happened to pop in today and notice this good news and I felt I needed to come in and give you both big congratulations. Once I read the book, I’ll be sure to post reviews on both Amazon & B&N. Good for you both fighting the good fight!

Thank you for your kind words on the podcast! We enjoyed speaking to Desiree very much.

And thank you for the good reviews on Amazon. My understanding is that rankings in keyword searches use an algorithm that incorporates numbers of reviews, and we want to get our book higher up in the search results to counter the anti-vax/anti-science results.

> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Along the lines here is this:
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> [http://theworstthingsforsale.com/page/2](http://theworstthingsforsale.com/page/2)
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> For the very bad book “Vaccine Epidemic”. What’s sad is that there are nearly 70 rave \*\*\*\*\* reviews for this lying dogshit book. It’s also outselling our OP’s fine book by quite a bit.

That book enrages us.

> [@Washoe](#):
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> If I buy a copy, do I still owe you the chocolate?

You owe us chocolate? 🙂

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**Author:** ![Washoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecae2f/32.png) [@Washoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Washoe)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/139 "2012-11-18T19:10:52Z")

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> [@Kolga](#):
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> You owe us chocolate? 🙂

Oh crap—you had completely forgotten about my debt. :smack: It was dark chocolate, specifically. You demanded payment for reviewing my class assignment a little over a year ago, and I pointed out that chocolate was (and to the best of my knowledge still is) the standard unit of currency on the SDMB, per **TubaDiva** ’s dictum.

If you’d like, I will personally go over to Facebook and beat up some people for you instead.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2012, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-by-two-dopers-the-truth-about-vaccines/631631/140 "2012-11-18T19:21:15Z")

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One other thing that will help this fine book move up slightly in the rankings is for us SDMBers to all put it on our “wish list”, even if we already have a copy or can’t afford to buy one.

“Helpful” votes to the good reviews will also help a little- assuming that you, indeed, do find the review helpful, of course.

Wealthier SDMBers might ask local libraries if they’d accept copies _for circulation_, and buy some.

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