# New Cheap PC for Windows 11 or supporting Discourse discussion {Also obsoleting Browsers & OP systems} **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Tags:** computer-hardware\ **Created:** [April 3, 2025, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577 "2025-04-03T16:26:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577/121 "2025-04-06T16:51:21Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Do you have a cite for a Windows 10 user (Win 10 Pro, specifically) being able to upgrade for free to Win 11 Pro? I did. I had Windows 10 Pro and upgraded for free to Windows 11 Pro, that’s what I run on my desktop computer I am currently posting this from. I had Windows 7 Pro beforehand. (That was the only version I actually paid for.) > [@ftg](#): > > I am hoping someone adds a way to have at the top of the screen at some point in something like Open\_shell at some point. Until then, no switching. > **[Taskbar on top for Windows 11 - Windhawk](https://windhawk.net/mods/taskbar-on-top)** > > Moves the Windows 11 taskbar to the top of the screen I’ve seen this recommended in a couple of places, and found the link on Reddit. People seem to like it well enough. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577/122 "2025-04-06T18:22:12Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > according to the manual, it does support “Windows Secure Boot” which Microsoft says is a requirement for Windows 11 and I presume means the same thing as TPM. I should mention here that AFAICT, Windows Secure Boot and TPM – specifically, the TPM 2.0 that Windows 11 requires – are two different things. Windows 11 I believe requires both. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2025, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577/123 "2025-04-06T18:42:25Z")
Seems almost like the right thing. Note: “The option to automatically hide the taskbar isn’t supported.” which is a problem for my needs, plus it requires monitor specific mods to move other taskbar boxes. Hopefully, it’ll eventually get there. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577/124 "2025-04-07T00:09:08Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I should mention here that AFAICT, Windows Secure Boot and TPM – specifically, the TPM 2.0 that Windows 11 requires – are two different things. It doesn’t actually require TPM 2.0 fortunately. > **[Microsoft Loosens Windows 11 Install Requirements, TPM 2.0 Not Needed Anymore...](https://www.techpowerup.com/329691/microsoft-loosens-windows-11-install-requirements-tpm-2-0-not-needed-anymore?amp)** ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577/125 "2025-04-07T04:11:22Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > It doesn’t actually require TPM 2.0 fortunately. That’s news to me, and thank you for that. Although I note that Microsoft uses a lot of weasel words, basically saying that without TPM, you’re on your own, may not get updates, your computer may be taken over by Somalian pirates and explode, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577/126 "2025-04-07T04:51:45Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Although I note that Microsoft uses a lot of weasel words, basically saying that without TPM, you’re on your own, may not get updates, your computer may be taken over by Somalian pirates and explode, etc. That’s our Microsoft! [![](https://media.tenor.com/_QMRtYkD1mYAAAAM/the-sopranos-tony-soprano.gif) ](https://media.tenor.com/_QMRtYkD1mYAAAAM/the-sopranos-tony-soprano.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577/127 "2025-04-07T05:54:06Z")
According to the article, installing Win11 on a non-TPM 2.0 machine gets you a warning that… > This PC doesn’t meet the minimum system requirements for running Windows 11 - these requirements help ensure a more reliable and higher quality experience. Installing Windows 11 on this PC is not recommended and may result in compatibility issues. If you proceed with installing Windows 11, your PC will no longer be supported and won’t be entitled to receive updates. Damages to your PC due to lack of compatibility aren’t covered under the manufacturer warranty. By selecting Accept, you are acknowledging that you read and understand this statement. …so, uh, “Hey, you can’t use Win10! We’re not updating that anymore so it’s insecure! You need to upgrade to Win11 with no updates!” ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2025, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577/128 "2025-04-07T06:44:22Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > It’s surprising that Microsoft would allow a free upgrade to the next OS version > > Have you been under the impression this whole time that people have to _pay_ to upgrade from Windows 10 to 11? I, also, recently upgraded a laptop from 10 to 11 because Windows insisted. I certainly didn’t pay for that privilege. And it’s working fine under windows 11. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577/129 "2025-06-13T03:06:18Z")
Bump! To tell folks that Chromium Legacy browser will run under MacOS as old as 10.11.6 and does not provoke the evil “you will be obsolete soon” warning from SDMB. There should be a Chromium Legacy build for Windows as well. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577/130 "2025-06-13T13:55:10Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > Chromium Legacy browser Is this the right link? > **[Releases · blueboxd/chromium-legacy](https://github.com/blueboxd/chromium-legacy/releases)** > > Latest Chromium (≒Chrome Canary/Stable) for Mac OS X 10.7+ - blueboxd/chromium-legacy – and thanks for info! ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2025, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577/131 "2025-06-13T16:43:58Z")
Yes! Browser should identify itself as “Chromium” when running. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2025, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577/132 "2025-07-02T12:38:36Z")
Doesn’t work on my version; needs something a lot newer. Thanks for trying, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-cheap-pc-for-windows-11-or-supporting-discourse-discussion-also-obsoleting-browsers-op-systems/1016577.md?page=6)