# New Chick Tract- Uninvited **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 7, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794 "2011-01-07T21:32:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/61 "2011-01-09T10:30:45Z")
Man, That’s not a chick tract. I don’t know who has taken over editorial and theological tack… but that is not Jack!. Imposter. ---
**Author:** ![Claude\_Remains](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/898d66/32.png) [@Claude\_Remains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claude_Remains)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/62 "2011-01-09T10:42:45Z")
Just remember folks… If you don’t sin, Jesus died for nothing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/63 "2011-01-09T15:46:00Z")
Heh. When there’s any danger that Jesus died for nothing, I guess we can take your advice, but I don’t see it happening any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/64 "2011-01-09T18:44:59Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Folks hereabouts object to the notion of Hell because, among other objections, it’s an eternity of infinite suffering for a finite temporary sin. Not to mention that the concept of “Eternal Hell” was invented during Egypt’s Middle Kingdom, to make the slaves obey. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Wait, so god punished them for getting molested? What an asshole. Aha, now it’s finally confirmed – Jack Chick is, in fact, **kanicbird**. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/65 "2011-01-09T18:51:12Z")
> [@](#): > > I was an altar boy. I don’t want to talk about it Ain’t a Chick tract without some Catholic bashing. ---
**Author:** ![Find\_Friends](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@Find\_Friends](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Find_Friends)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/66 "2011-01-09T18:54:49Z")
> [@BigBertha](#): > > Out of the last 40 patients, _almost_ all were molested and thats why they turned out gay? > 40 is not a big enough number to justify that conclusion. And it even says almost! Not a problem, Bertha. There is a [discontinued tract called “Wounded Children”](http://www.monsterwax.com/Tracts.htm) and Kurt of chickcomics . com has a [review](http://www.monsterwax.com/chickreviews.html#wounded) that will give you the jist of it. JTC is actually being consistent. _ **- the other “Jack”** _ ---
**Author:** ![Find\_Friends](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@Find\_Friends](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Find_Friends)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/67 "2011-01-09T20:47:10Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Folks hereabouts object to the notion of Hell because, among other objections, it’s an eternity of infinite suffering for a finite temporary sin. But they seem sometimes to have trouble with the idea that an eternity in Heaven could compensate infinitely for finite suffering on Earth - and possibly grant them the wisdom to accept that their suffering came about as a result of their own choices. Yeah… someday we will all have the “wisdom” to realize that our suffering from earhquakes and tornadoes was the result of our own bad choices. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/68 "2011-01-09T21:33:15Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Well that’s the whole debate over eternal security and the Bible seems to indicate that people who do things Christians probably won’t do probably had a false salvation in the first place. Plus the “Christians” who think daemons can still attack saved Christians can be even more insane than Chick. Well, yes and no. Irressistible Grace and Permanent Security are elements of particular schools of theology, not a universal consensus on biblical teaching. The saved are safe, BUT: is “saved” the end product of a holistic process, or is it a singular event? You must repent (your sins) and confess (Jesus as your saviour) to be saved, but is that always instantaneous and simultaneous for everyone? Assuming that once you repent and convert you should not ever again fall to temptation or weakness, or else that means you are one of the unchosen ones, is inviting the further temptation of despair. Of course, the thing is that even within the Calvinist doctrine there is room for the person who finds him or herself still struggling with temptation and weakness even after repenting and converting, to anyway BE one of the saved/elect: it just so happens that it’s God’s plan to make you sweat it. You WILL be saved, but on God’s schedule, not yours. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/69 "2011-01-09T23:27:01Z")
> [@Trans Fat Og](#): > > Yeah… someday we will all have the “wisdom” to realize that our suffering from earhquakes and tornadoes was the result of our own bad choices. :rolleyes: Yeah… because earthquakes and tornadoes are the only suffering anyone ever complained about. :rolleyes: And because no-one ever knowingly lived in an earthquake zone hoping there wouldn’t be one in their lifetime. :rolleyes: Good game this, isn’t it? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Find\_Friends](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@Find\_Friends](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Find_Friends)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/70 "2011-01-10T01:22:10Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Yeah… because earthquakes and tornadoes are the only suffering anyone ever complained about. :rolleyes: > > And because no-one ever knowingly lived in an earthquake zone hoping there wouldn’t be one in their lifetime. :rolleyes: > > Good game this, isn’t it? :rolleyes: Nice try, but you left it unqualified. You didn’t say “some” or even “most” suffering. And I left off saying that one could make bad choices about geographically risky areas to live-- if one were a free adult. And that this would obviously not apply to babies, toddlers, small children, even slaves, etc. I gave you enough credit to think that you would see that much. Seems I overestimated you. Pity. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/71 "2011-01-10T01:25:02Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Folks hereabouts object to the notion of Hell because, among other objections, it’s an eternity of infinite suffering for a finite temporary sin. But they seem sometimes to have trouble with the idea that an eternity in Heaven could compensate infinitely for finite suffering on Earth - and possibly grant them the wisdom to accept that their suffering came about as a result of their own choices. Did that make sense in your head, before you typed it? ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/72 "2011-01-10T02:18:41Z")
> [@Trans Fat Og](#): > > Seems I overestimated you. An example of one of those bad choices you can make. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/73 "2011-01-10T15:18:00Z")
Classic Chickism. Absolutely classic. He managed to piss off (or on) huge numbers of people. But he made a huge blunder in this one; for someone who is supposedly such a bible scholar, he made a glaring error in history when he said > [@](#): > > Satan is one of the most powerful beings created by the Lord Jesus. JC supposedly showed up about 2000 years ago. If he created Satan, then who was it in the Garden with Eve, long before then? C’mon, Jack - it’s failure to check your sources and facts that detract from the wonderful message you send forth. Get on the ball. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/74 "2011-01-10T17:15:18Z")
Many, probably most, denominations believe that all components of the trinity are eternal and predate all made things. For example, a version of the Nicene Creed goes: > [@Council of Constantinople in 381](#): > > We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. > > And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; A_ **nd in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds** _, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father" italics and bolding added. That said, God know what Chick believes. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/75 "2011-01-10T18:28:48Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > JC supposedly showed up about 2000 years ago. If he created Satan, then who was it in the Garden with Eve, long before then? Not really an error. Christian belief is that Jesus is God so he always existed. He just manifested himself on Earth two thousand years ago. This does raise some interesting questions. When God was creating original sin was Jesus standing there next to him saying “Thanks a lot. You know I’m going to have to go down there and clean that up someday, right?” ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/76 "2011-01-10T19:56:28Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > This does raise some interesting questions. When God was creating original sin was Jesus standing there next to him saying “Thanks a lot. You know I’m going to have to go down there and clean that up someday, right?” [It was really about the hair](http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1559#comic). ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/77 "2011-01-11T00:11:34Z")
I had that same judgemental bitch and experience when my parents sent me to that “bad acne” camp one summer… I am just glad Vinyl Turnip’s brother’s acting career has finally taken off. I just hope he doesnt get type cast. ---
**Author:** ![BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/78 "2011-01-11T00:52:17Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > On any scale of “realism” applicable to such things, I would say Lewis is far, far more realistic than Chick. Frankenstein’s monster bumming the wolfman on a unicorn’s back in Atlantis is more realistic than Chick. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/79 "2011-01-11T02:59:05Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I wonder how long it takes before the lesbianism sets in. “…or worse.” She could have ended up “or worse.” The mind reels at the awful possibilities that could be worse than being a lesbian. She could have ended up a Cowboys fan. Here’s what I don’t get; if raping her could turn her off men and make her a lesbian, wouldn’t a guy being raped by a man make it likelier to turn him off men and be straight? ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-chick-tract-uninvited/566794/80 "2011-01-11T03:03:53Z")
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