# "New" city without an "old" counterpart **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [February 2, 2023, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213 "2023-02-02T16:14:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/1 "2023-02-02T16:14:11Z")
Is there any city with “New” in its name, as a separate word, that’s not actually named after another place? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/2 "2023-02-02T16:17:05Z")
Newport? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/3 "2023-02-02T16:22:37Z")
And Newcastle, which was build not on the site of an old castle, but on that of an old Roman fort. ETA: “separate word”. Sorry! ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/4 "2023-02-02T16:24:49Z")
Hew Hope, PA > New Hope was first called “Coryell’s Ferry,” after the owner of the ferry business. The current name came into use following a fire in 1790 that destroyed several mills in the area; their reconstruction was considered a “new hope.” New Haven, CT ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/5 "2023-02-02T16:27:26Z")
I was just going to suggest New Haven. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/6 "2023-02-02T16:31:01Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > And Newcastle, which was build not on the site of an old castle, but on that of an old Roman fort. > ETA: “separate word”. Sorry! Nassau County / Long Island, however, has “New Cassel”, a formulation that should qualify. I’m pretty sure there’s no original old Cassel involved. ETA: I’m wrong, it was actually named after Hesse-Kassel in Germany. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/7 "2023-02-02T16:31:36Z")
Its not a city but there is the New Forest in Britain (dating to Norman conquest), and New College Oxford (founding in the 14th century), neither of which has an associated “old” counterpart. ---
**Author:** ![Tabco](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tabco/32/7644_2.png) [@Tabco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabco)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/8 "2023-02-02T16:31:48Z")
There’s New Pine Creek, OR. At the time of its naming there was already a town in Oregon called Pine Creek, but that settlement is gone now. The town is also notable for being considered within the state of Oregon, but technically south of the 42nd parallel that defines Oregon’s south border. ETA: I should add that the town wasn’t named after the existing Pine Creek, just that “new” was added to the name in order to distinguish it. ---
**Author:** ![Schnitte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/schnitte/32/9033_2.png) [@Schnitte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Schnitte)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/9 "2023-02-02T17:45:31Z")
Novgorod in Russia means “new city”, without a corresponding old city. There are actually two major Novgorods, both ancient and historically important, in Russia, distinguished from each other by the adjectives [Veliky](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veliky_Novgorod) (“great”) and [Nizhny](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizhny_Novgorod) (“lower”). ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/10 "2023-02-02T17:48:02Z")
Similarly there is Novi Sad in Serbia ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/11 "2023-02-02T17:50:37Z")
[New City, New York](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_City,_New_York). ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/12 "2023-02-02T20:42:18Z")
Loads of Neustadts (New City) in Germany, many of them not part of an older city: > **[Neustadt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neustadt)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > Neustadt (German for new town or new city) may refer to: ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/13 "2023-02-02T20:49:24Z")
> [@Tabco](#): > > The town is also notable for being considered within the state of Oregon, but technically south of the 42nd parallel that defines Oregon’s south border. Had to check that on Google Maps. Cool - most of the town is south of the border, but the post office is north of it. So…Oregon addresses. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/14 "2023-02-02T21:02:12Z")
New Dorp (“New Village”) on Staten Island was founded by Dutch immigrants as one of the first European settlements in America. There apparently was/is no Dorp or Old Dorp as an incorporated village or town in Holland. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/15 "2023-02-02T21:38:38Z")
Wouldn’t a name like “New City” or “New Village” just be descriptive in the sense that it’s new? It’s old counterpart would be, well, any older city or village. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/16 "2023-02-02T21:51:28Z")
Yeah usually the only time “new” and “old” are both used is when you are talking about districts in the same city (i.e. the “new” suburb vs the “old” town) ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/17 "2023-02-02T22:06:48Z")
[New Market, Virginia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Market,_Virginia) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/18 "2023-02-02T22:51:55Z")
> [@Schnitte](#): > > Novgorod in Russia means “new city”, without a corresponding old city. Similarly, was there an old city for Naples (Neapolis)? ---
**Author:** ![ZonexandScout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zonexandscout/32/544_2.png) [@ZonexandScout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZonexandScout)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/19 "2023-02-02T23:33:46Z")
It’s not a city, but I’d still like to submit the New River (WV, VA, and NC). Contrary to the name, it is one of the oldest rivers in the world. I’m not aware of an Old River that is actually older than the old New River. ---
**Author:** ![Schnitte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/schnitte/32/9033_2.png) [@Schnitte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Schnitte)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213/20 "2023-02-02T23:36:12Z")
In a sense, according to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Naples). Naples is a typical product of Greek colonisation around the Mediterranean. In this particular case, there were actually two colonies in the area that is now the city of Naples; the first was a place called Parthenope, and later, a mile or so further, another one was founded, which got the name “new city” (Neapolis) and grew into the core of what is now Naples. After the foundation of Neapolis, the older colony of Parthenope was sometimes called “old city” (Palaiopolis). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-city-without-an-old-counterpart/979213.md?page=2)