# New conspiracy: U.S. was funding Ukrainian "biolabs" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion\ **Created:** [March 10, 2022, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819 "2022-03-10T11:19:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/121 "2022-03-16T20:32:14Z")
Did you survive? There a Reddit called ParlerWatch ( it’s for all right wing media, not just Parler) that is good for keeping track of the crazy theories. Heres a link I found on that group, it’s a transcript of a Podcast that I think sums up the far right position quite well. > **[Fox Nation host Lara Logan links President Zelensky's entertainment career to...](https://www.mediamatters.org/russias-invasion-ukraine/fox-nation-host-lara-logan-links-president-zelenskys-entertainment-career)** ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/122 "2022-03-16T22:40:56Z")
Here’s my right-wing friend replying to another friend of mine on FB. What is up with believing some of the Ukrainians are “Nazis”? [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51943228645_972173fa81_z.jpg "Tom") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/194366829@N05/51943228645/in/dateposted/) ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/123 "2022-03-16T22:48:46Z")
Some of the Ukrainians _are_ Nazis. However, it’s a small fringe group and you don’t deal with a group like that by bombing maternity hospitals and such. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/124 "2022-03-16T22:49:42Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > What is up with believing some of the Ukrainians are “Nazis”? What is up is that some Ukrainians are (neo-)Nazis. (ETA: Bah, ninja’d by Lance.) [Azov Brigade](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment) (ETA: I mean “battalion”) Not that I think Putin has a leg to stand on when it comes to using that as an excuse to invade another sovereign nation, but the concept of Ukrainian Nazis is not a completely made-up one. > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > However, it’s a small fringe group Well, it’s officially part of Ukrainian armed forces and it does get quite a bit of worldwide attention and support. Again, not invade-the-country level of problematic, but problematic. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/125 "2022-03-16T22:51:16Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > What is up with believing some of the Ukrainians are “Nazis”? It’s mostly built around the existence of the Azov Battalion: > **[Azov Brigade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion)** > > The Azov Assault Brigade (Ukrainian: Штурмова бригада «Азов», romanized: Shturmova bryhada "Azov") is a formation of the National Guard of Ukraine formerly based in Mariupol, in the coastal region of the Sea of Azov, from which it derives its name. It was founded in May 2014 as the Azov Battalion\[a\] (Ukrainian: батальйон «Азов», romanized: Batalion "Azov"), a volunteer paramilitary militia under the command of Andriy Biletsky to fight pro-Russian forces in the war in Donbas. It was formally i... Ukraine would probably have a lot easier time dealing with a few hundred Nazi assholes if they didn’t also have to deal with a few thousand Russian assholes trying to fuck up their country, but of course, no one wants to discuss that. And while we’re at it, let’s remind ourselves that Russia also has a problem with [a certain level](https://www.thedailybeast.com/wagners-rusich-neo-nazi-attack-unit-hints-its-going-back-into-ukraine-undercover) of [neo Nazi assholes](https://khpg.org/en/1608809502). ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/126 "2022-03-17T00:30:24Z")
One might also note that when you’re dealing with a few hundred Nazis, who aren’t in positions of power, the recommended way of dealing with them is through police action, not blowing up middle schools with missiles. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/127 "2022-03-17T00:36:56Z")
Republicans might want to concentrate on their own home-grown Nazis within the party first, before working on those in Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/128 "2022-03-17T01:47:39Z")
Believing some Ukrainians are Nazis isn’t a problem, as mentioned above, because some actually are. Calling the president of the country a Nazi, though, is classic anti-semitic bullshit. It’s the way to make him look bad because the man is Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/129 "2022-03-17T01:58:35Z")
Yep. Evidently, the relatives can’t be arsed to keep their rhetoric going. The last bit of nonsense is a week ago blaming “Biden and crafts” (I’ve no idea who “crafts” is, nor do I wish to know; I suppose it could be some gas station chain) for high gas prices. Their echo chamber on FB is convinced that “the poor” get free gas cards from “the government” so they’ll vote for the left, aka Democrat. That link to the loon…wow. Just wow. We need another term for those leaps of logic she did. Trampolining of logic? Nah. How about catapult of logic? That’s close. Is there a verb form of ‘parsec’? If so, that would be the best choice. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/130 "2022-03-17T02:32:43Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > That link to the loon…wow. Just wow. We need another term for those leaps of logic she did. Trampolining of logic? Scatapult. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/131 "2022-03-17T02:35:25Z")
trebullshit ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/132 "2022-03-17T02:48:15Z")
And we have a winner! ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/133 "2022-03-17T03:04:15Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Republicans might want to concentrate on their own home-grown Nazis within the party first, before working on those in Ukraine.   That’s right! We need to start bombing some hospitals and schools right here to solve that! If we can convince Putin to spare a few of his bombs for us, that can serve to distract him from Ukraine for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/134 "2022-03-17T12:49:37Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Republicans might want to concentrate on their own home-grown Nazis within the party first, before working on those in Ukraine. Yeah, this. The Azov assholes got something like 2% of the vote in the last election, which is less than the People’s Party of Canada got in the last two elections. The PPC is the closest to an outright fascist party we have in Canada, so does this justify Russia invading Canada to “de-Nazify” us? Everywhere in the world has some degree of Nazi problem lately. Ukraine’s problem is exacerbated by the fact that the Azov assholes are largely operating in the two break-away areas. You know, the places where the central government doesn’t have complete control of the area, _because of the Russians meddling in Ukrainian affairs_. Probably 90% of Ukraine’s Nazi Problem was caused by Russia itself. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/135 "2022-03-17T13:09:10Z")
I haven’t slogged through the whole thread, but I found it interesting that there actually were bio-labs funded by the US in Ukraine. Of course, the REAL story was that the Russians were targeting these labs and taking them. Since the labs were researching some fairly nasty stuff, the real worry is that the Russians could use that stuff or release some of it in Ukraine, then turn around and blame Ukraine for bioterrorism. That might still be the plan. Basically, it’s taking a fact (there are bio-labs in Ukraine supported by the US) and twisting it like a pretzel (these labs actually do research from a study and prevention perspective) to the exact opposite (these labs are bio-weapons facilities used by the US because…reasons, handwave, something something…WEAPONS!). Some of these bio-labs have actually been there and supported by the US going back to the early days of Ukrainian independence, and were initially there to try and get a handle on old Soviet-era bio-weapons, to essentially neutralize them. This segued into doing research for the US (and other countries). It’s similar to how the US was paying for research into Covid by the Chinese…the research we were paying for was research into ways to combat or detect Covid infections, not weapons development. I heard one guy saying that this story is the classic ‘to much nuance for a reporter’, though it seems only Fox and like organizations are too brainwashed (or brain dead) to understand they are basically spewing out propaganda directly from Putin and giving his ridiculous claims legitimacy. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/136 "2022-03-17T14:19:17Z")
> [@XT](#): > > hough it seems only Fox and like organizations are too brainwashed (or brain dead) to understand they are basically spewing out propaganda directly from Putin and giving his ridiculous claims legitimacy. Oh, I think you give them too much credit. They know _ **exactly** _ that they are spewing out propaganda directly from Putin. This is their job. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/137 "2022-03-17T14:29:09Z")
If so (even if not) I think it’s going to bite them on the ass this time. In a big way. Every poll I’ve seen has Americans supporting Ukraine and really negative against Putin and Russia over this thing. I think this is going to bite not only Trump but all those who supported him, especially those who publically agreed with him wrt Putin. I’ve heard that in the French presidency race this has already impacted several candidates who publically supported Putin in the past, and I think that same dynamic will happen in the US. I was talking to a bunch of conservatives (actual conservatives, as opposed to myself 😆 ) who were pretty uniform in saying they support Ukraine and are opposed to Putin. In fact, I heard the words I NEVER thought to hear from this group…to paraphrase, ‘Tucker Carlson is 100% wrong on this, and so is Trump’. While around here you’d hear that all the time, from these guys it was a shock. Of course, they all still hate Biden, so there is that. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/138 "2022-03-17T14:34:46Z")
Give the Russian/Fox propaganda machine time to change their minds on this. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/139 "2022-03-17T14:49:26Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Of course, they all still hate Biden, so there is that. So they’ll Bill Barr it: Trump is a treasonous, incompetent, narcissistic weasel - but still better then anyone the Democrats will run. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819/140 "2022-03-17T14:51:27Z")
I think the other reason that this is getting so much traction is that it meshes well with the Wuhan Covid biolab conspiracy theory. On a whim I googled “Ukraine Fauci” and was not surprised to discover that some have tried to make the connection. > **[Jeanine Pirro Bizarrely Tries to Tie Fauci to Ukrainian Biolabs](https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeanine-pirro-bizarrely-tries-to-tie-anthony-fauci-to-ukrainian-biolabs)** > > The Fox News blabber baselessly suggested that the medical adviser’s infrequent media appearances lately could be a result of Ukrainian biolabs being in the news this week. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-conspiracy-u-s-was-funding-ukrainian-biolabs/960819.md?page=8)