# New Deal Democrat and his views on race **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 21, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492 "2011-03-21T18:47:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/181 "2011-03-24T04:14:05Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > It’s ridiculous how so many idiots like to play amateur geneticist and talk about thinks like a gene for criminal behavior. Oh, yeah, it’s just Cc and if you get cc, you’re a criminal! Just like I learned about the peas in 7th grade. Along similar lines… anyone remember the enthusiasm for the XYY “criminal karyotype”? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/182 "2011-03-24T12:43:23Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Affirmative action is most common in government jobs and college admissions. I have heard a lot of Asian parents express negative sentiment about affirmative action because it ends up handicapping their children and forces them to work much harder than a similar white student in order to get into a good school. I presume Jewish parents might feel the same way. Charles Murray has suggested that affirmative action is one of the reasons most white Americans have lost confidence in the government. If they have a complex problem, need to work with a civil servant to solve it, and are assigned a black civil servant, they discover that the black civil servant has a great deal of difficulty working on the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/183 "2011-03-24T12:47:15Z")
Have you ever noticed how white civil servants resolve complex societal problems like _this_, but black civil servants resolve complex societal problems like _this_? ---
**Author:** ![elninost0rm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ed655f/32.png) [@elninost0rm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elninost0rm)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/184 "2011-03-24T13:13:51Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Charles Murray has suggested that affirmative action is one of the reasons most white Americans have lost confidence in the government. If they have a complex problem, need to work with a civil servant to solve it, and are assigned a black civil servant, they discover that the black civil servant has a great deal of difficulty working on the problem. Yeah, you aren’t kidding. That negro supervisor of mine can’t do shit with all that exposure to fried chicken and grape soda. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/185 "2011-03-24T13:24:54Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I know when I get just the right amout of fried chicken and grape soda in me, I always go on a wild killing spree. I also drop several IQ points and spontaneously produce out-of-wedlock babies, like in Gremlins. My hypothesis is that certain foods activate the Scary Negro gene cluster. All I have to do is pass by a Popeye’s and I can feel the mRNA start gearing up. (Yes, I can sense on the cellular/molecular level. It’s a black thang. Ya’ll wouldn’t understand.) > > Maybe black people who carry these genes can receive gene therapy, or at least have their embryos screened. Scary Negro is often associated with great beauty, though, especially in women. Naomi Cambell is a well-known sufferer of Scary Negro Syndrome. Plus, the genes confer the ability to swivel your neck as you tell someone off…which comes in handy when you’re riding the bus and someone’s pushing all up on you. So there are some trade-offs we need to consider. Maybe all we have to do is change diet (like from fried chicken to baked, grape soda to orange). Simple changes like that and we can all live in harmony! I never knew grape soda was a Negro thing. I used to like grape soda when I was a kid. I better do some geneology research fast! And the neck swivel thing… How do you do that? Can White people learn if they practice enough, or is to all genetic? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/186 "2011-03-24T13:30:51Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > It’s ridiculous how so many idiots like to play amateur geneticist and talk about thinks like a gene for criminal behavior. Oh, yeah, it’s just Cc and if you get cc, you’re a criminal! Just like I learned about the peas in 7th grade. One rotten pea spoils the whole pod. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > If they have a complex problem, **need to work with a civil servant** to solve it Well, there’s the problem right there. The “value of libertarianism” was staring you in the face all along. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/187 "2011-03-24T14:14:53Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Charles Murray has suggested that affirmative action is one of the reasons most white Americans have lost confidence in the government. If they have a complex problem, need to work with a civil servant to solve it, and are assigned a black civil servant, they discover that the black civil servant has a great deal of difficulty working on the problem. Boy, he really pulled that one out of his ass. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/188 "2011-03-24T14:20:59Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Charles Murray has suggested that affirmative action is one of the reasons most white Americans have lost confidence in the government. If they have a complex problem, need to work with a civil servant to solve it, and are assigned a black civil servant, they discover that the black civil servant has a great deal of difficulty working on the problem. Speaking as a white American, I would like to state explicitly that I have never had this experience. I have lost confidence in the government for entirely different reasons, most of which can be laid at the feet of the incompetent white people who have been running things for a long time now. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/189 "2011-03-24T14:53:14Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Charles Murray has suggested that affirmative action is one of the reasons most white Americans have lost confidence in the government. If they have a complex problem, need to work with a civil servant to solve it, and are assigned a black civil servant, they discover that the black civil servant has a great deal of difficulty working on the problem. I’m comfortable saying Charles Murray is a complete moron then. You still haven’t clarified your position regarding the Cobra-La race as regards criminal/megalomaniacal tendencies, by the by. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/190 "2011-03-24T15:12:19Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Charles Murray has suggested that affirmative action is one of the reasons most white Americans have lost confidence in the government. If they have a complex problem, need to work with a civil servant to solve it, and are assigned a black civil servant, they discover that the black civil servant has a great deal of difficulty working on the problem. If I can get serious for a minute, you’re still missing the essential flaw of your whole line of reasoning. You’re assuming that any feelings you or anyone else has must have a valid cause. You’re assuming that because you’re scared of black people, black people must be dangerous; that because you don’t trust black people, they must be deceitful; that because you don’t respect black people, they must be inferior. The reality is that it’s you who is the problem. Your feelings are irrational and do not say anything about black people in general, even though you can certainly find some individuals who match your stereotypes. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/191 "2011-03-24T15:15:52Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Charles Murray has suggested that affirmative action is one of the reasons most white Americans have lost confidence in the government. If they have a complex problem, need to work with a civil servant to solve it, and are assigned a black civil servant, they discover that the black civil servant has a great deal of difficulty working on the problem. I have suggested that Charles Murray is a doofus. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/192 "2011-03-24T15:28:10Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I know when I get just the right amout of fried chicken and grape soda in me, I always go on a wild killing spree. I also drop several IQ points and spontaneously produce out-of-wedlock babies, like in Gremlins. My hypothesis is that certain foods activate the Scary Negro gene cluster. All I have to do is pass by a Popeye’s and I can feel the mRNA start gearing up. (Yes, I can sense on the cellular/molecular level. It’s a black thang. Ya’ll wouldn’t understand.) Can I get some mo’ mutha fucking iced tea up in here, yo? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/193 "2011-03-24T15:33:18Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Charles Murray has suggested that affirmative action is one of the reasons most white Americans have lost confidence in the government. If they have a complex problem, need to work with a civil servant to solve it, and are assigned a black civil servant, they discover that the black civil servant has a great deal of difficulty working on the problem. Oddly, there are relatively few problems with black _household_ servants. Except of course those with all the attitude, like on the Jeffersons. She must have been given access to fried chicken on a regular basis. Still, what a great observation. Now that you mention it, whenever I think of white civil servants, I think of nothing but efficiency and friendly, courteous service. Like the DMV in Connecticut. Or the post office in suburban Pittsburgh. Or the marriage license place in St. Louis. Yessiree, never anything but speedy service with a smile! ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/194 "2011-03-24T15:47:09Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Charles Murray has suggested that affirmative action is one of the reasons most white Americans have lost confidence in the government. If they have a complex problem, need to work with a civil servant to solve it, and are assigned a black civil servant, they discover that the black civil servant has a great deal of difficulty working on the problem. This says more about white people than it does about black people. Charles Murray is smart enough to know about confirmation bias. I don’t know whether he’s honest enough to admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/195 "2011-03-24T16:22:24Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yep. All excellent points. And it’s even more complicated than that. Any such genes would probably manifest different behaviors in different social environments. I think I said that, or at least, meant to. > [@](#): > > They may even be controlled by epigenetic processes, adding yet another layer of complexity. I’m sure I didn’t say that. Good point. > [@](#): > > It’s ridiculous how so many idiots like to play amateur geneticist and talk about thinks like a gene for criminal behavior. Oh, yeah, it’s just Cc and if you get cc, you’re a criminal! Just like I learned about the peas in 7th grade. The very sad part is that these anus faces have made it much more difficult to actually study genes and violence, because it’s hard to get a representative sample. Many in the African American community have an innate distrust that researchers have an agenda based around proving that African Americans are predisposed to violence. Genetics researchers look with trepidation upon these types of endeavors because of the political minefield that exists. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/196 "2011-03-24T16:43:17Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Still, what a great observation. Now that you mention it, whenever I think of white civil servants, I think of nothing but efficiency and friendly, courteous service. Like the DMV in Connecticut. Or the post office in suburban Pittsburgh. Or the marriage license place in St. Louis. Yessiree, never anything but speedy service with a smile! Turning serious for a moment, this is a perfect example of scapegoating as a motivation for racism. For an old-fashioned big-government liberal like **New Deal Democrat** , it simply will not do to suggest that people have problems with government bureaucracies because of inherent flaws in the system. Nope, it must be some insidious group of hooliganistic wreckers – if only they can be identified and dealt with, all shall be well. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/197 "2011-03-24T16:49:38Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Genetics researchers look with trepidation upon these types of endeavors because of the political minefield that exists. If the researchers were Asian, nobody would have problems with them conducting a study. Hell, Asians don’t even _like_ fried chicken. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/198 "2011-03-24T18:31:42Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Shouldn’t there be something in there about subverting young people with movies and music? I hear your people are all over that one too. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > It’s not a characteristic exclusive to The Jewish Agenda though, see rap music and brokeback mountain. Admit it: you’re secretly behind the people behind rap music and gay cowboy movies. > [@acsenray](#): > > This says more about white people than it does about black people. Charles Murray is smart enough to know about confirmation bias. I don’t know whether he’s honest enough to admit it. One wonders where all these white people found white civil servants who _could_ solve their problems. ETA: … this Asian likes fried chicken. Only the breast, though. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/199 "2011-03-24T18:33:21Z")
Sexist. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/200 "2011-03-24T18:43:19Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Nope, it must be some insidious group of hooliganistic wreckers – if only they can be identified and dealt with, all shall be well. :rolleyes: It’s all Leroy Ramzin’s fault. too obscure? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492.md?page=11)