# New Deal Democrat and his views on race **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 21, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492 "2011-03-21T18:47:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/221 "2011-03-25T11:04:01Z")
What’s wrong with _What’s Happening!!_ Dee might have not been a good actress, but she did have the best one-liners. “Ooooooh, I’ma tell Mama!” ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/222 "2011-03-25T16:37:00Z")
If I remember correctly, Dwayne’s catchphrase was “Hey HEY _hey!_” while Fat Albert’s was “Hey _Hey HEY!_.” ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/223 "2011-03-25T16:40:23Z")
And Dwayne pronounced it more like “hi HI hi!” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/224 "2011-03-25T17:27:54Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > See, now you’re dissing black culture. > > _Good Times_ had J.J. Evans (Jimmie Walker) whose catch-phrase was “Dyn-o-mite”. > > Dwayne Wayne (Kadeem Hardison) was on _A Different World_. > > Dwayne Nelson (Haywood Nelson) was on _What’s Happening!!_ and his catch-phrase was “hey HEY hey hey”. > > Fat Albert’s catchphrase was “hey HEY hey”. > > And the guy who drank grape soda was Radar O’Reilly (Gary Burghoff) on _MASH_. Ahh, I was thinking of Dwayne Nelson from What’s Happening. I thought his catchphrase was only three heys And i thought he ordered grape soda from Shirley every time they went into the soda shop. Maybe it was orange soda because I liked orange soda as a kid too. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/225 "2011-03-25T17:43:22Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > And Dwayne pronounced it more like “hi HI hi!” Yeah, it was an odd pronunciation, sort of like hai, HAI, hai. There was an “a” sound in there along with the “h” and the “i”. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/226 "2011-03-25T17:52:44Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > The Electric Jew [Lenny Kravitz?](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLhpHjmxNw8) ---
**Author:** ![poet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@poet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/poet)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/227 "2011-03-26T16:52:19Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > In a recent thread, I was admonished that I shouldn’t say anything that implied that what another poster wrote might be indicative of racism. With that in mind, I will simply offer these quotes from New Deal Democrat without comment and let people form their own conclusions. > > [Everywhere in the world they live blacks have considerably higher rates of crime and illegitimacy than whites and Orientals. This has always been true. I think this is due to “irreducible moral failings” that are caused genetically.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12751481&postcount=237) > > Lies. Racist. Bigoted.[There is a very strong correlation between race and violent crime. There is no country with a higher black population than the United States with a lower rate of murder and rape.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12751817&postcount=241) > > Lies. Racist. Bigoted. > [I live in a city with a large black population. Because it has a large black population, it has a high crime rate. Nevertheless, hardly any blacks are on the police force. Few can pass the mental aptitude test. The way to get value out of those people is through prison labor. There must be work that is too painful and dangerous for free labor to perform.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13461527&postcount=144) > > Lies. Racist. Bigoted. KKK mentality. > [Blacks turn every neighborhood they move to into an asphalt jungle of crime and moral depravity.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13461557&postcount=85) > > Jeffery Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, and George W. Bush, come to mind. > [The average IQ of blacks in Africa is 70. 70 is where mental retardation begins. Inherent gloominess about the prospect of Africa is rational.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13509202&postcount=130) > > I don’t believe that. My IQ is at least 126. Commentary is racist, bigoted, and based on false assumptions. > > [Different racial groups differ as much and in the same way as sub species of various animal species, and different breeds of domestic animals. The average IQ for a black person in the United States is 85. The average for a white is 100. The average for an East Asian is 106. When whites adopt black babies, most of them have IQs below 100. When they adopt East Asians, most of them have IQs above 100. Head Start has been a failure. Also, blacks in the United States have a crime rate that is about eight times the white crime rate. The crime rate for East Asians is about 75 percent the white crime rate. I have lived with poor Vietnamese war refugees, and blacks. There is a difference, believe me. I believe that difference is biological.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13509678&postcount=137) > > Since my IQ has been documented at 126, it places me above average whites. > Again the commentary is racist and bigoted, and unsubstantiated. > > [Blacks have a murder rate that is over seven times the white rate. Even when they live in upper middle class neighborhoods, and attend good schools they tend to do less well than whites. Whites respond negatively to blacks we do not know because we accurately associate they with crime and low intelligence.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13511636&postcount=158) > Lies. Racist. Bigoted. Unsubstantiated. > > [There does not have to be a one to one correlation between black population and crime, but there is a correlation.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13513189&postcount=168) > > Racist and bigoted. > > [What I have read is that the average IQ for black Africans is 70, while the average for black Americans is 85, and the average for whites is 100.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13513264&postcount=170) > Well, my IQ has been documented to be 126…so what does that say? > [Until there are no sanctions whatsoever against investigating and publishing biological reasons for racial differences in crime and intelligence it cannot be said that liberals are more respectful of facts and reason than conservatives.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13518756&postcount=177) > > Ideological poppycock. Moronic > > [I believe that whites, and especially white blue collar workers, have legitimate concerns about black crime, and about what happens to white working class neighborhoods and public schools when blacks move in.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13563923&postcount=151) > > Bigoted and racist. > [If the black population in a student body goes from 5 percent to 85 percent we can expect a decline in average performance.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13564496&postcount=159) > > Lies. Racist and bigoted. > [What I predict is that fifty years from now blacks will still have low average IQs and high rates of crime and illegitimacy, and that people like you will still be blaming white racism, even though genes for intelligence and crime will have been discovered, and it will have been discovered that they are unevenly distribute among the races.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13588669&postcount=87) > > Racist and bigoted. Agenda laden. > [Although the average IQ for a black person is 85, and the average for a white person is 100, some blacks are more intelligent than some whites. Many blacks are capable of learning skilled trades. An extremely small minority can learn one of the professions, although when affirmative action comes to an end the number of black professionals will decline fairly significantly.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13588683&postcount=88) > > White women are the primary benefactors of affirmative action. > > [Not subhuman, just less intelligent on the average.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13591132&postcount=99) > > Based on what? > > [Why are the Japanese not rioting because of the tsunami? If Japan had a large black population no one would be safe from those blacks.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13592497&postcount=115) > > Bigotry and racism, pure and simple. What about the coverup of the assassination of innocents by white policemen during Katrina in New Orleans? > > [That experiment happens whenever blacks take over a neighborhood along with the schools. Whenever that happens academic performance in those schools takes a nose dive. Washington, DC has the third most expensive school system in the country, and scores below all of the states in academic performance. The reason is that 85 percent of the school body is black.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13592508&postcount=117) > > BS. > [If you randomly put black children in those private schools most will do poorly and many will be discipline problems](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13593126&postcount=123). > I attended private parochial school in Chicago, Illinois, for 4 years. I did well, and didn’t have any disciplinary problems. > > [I have been the victim of several black criminals, as have relatives, and friends. Some of those friends are black. I am sure that white muggers exist, but I have never heard of one. Blacks do have a rate of violent crime that is over seven times the white crime rate. It bothers me that we cannot discuss this unless we pretend that is somehow the fault of “white racism.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13593538&postcount=128) > > Of course. White people don’t commit crimes ( Bernie Madoff…oh, that’s right, he’s not white, but Jewish) Sorry. > [The average IQ of Negroes in Africa has been estimated at 70. That is a mental age of eleven. People at that level are perpetual children who require adult supervision.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13594374&postcount=94) > Keep saying it…one day, maybe, it’ll become truth. > > [Anyone who is not delusional knows that blacks have a much higher crime rate than whites or Orientals.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13594474&postcount=141) > > Like I said…keep saying it. > [Blacks are not hated because they are inferior but because they are dangerous.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13595841&postcount=161) > > Wow. No bigotry or racism there. > > [Most blacks need to be lead by the equivalent of kindly plantations owners who treat them like irresponsible children from whom little should be expected, and much forgiven.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13596745&postcount=188) Unbelievable. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/228 "2011-03-26T17:00:56Z")
Wow, **poet** , thank God you’re here to point that out. We’d have been lost without you. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/229 "2011-03-26T17:05:05Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Wow, **poet** , thank God you’re here to point that out. We’d have been lost without you. That’s because all our IQ’s topped out at 125. ---
**Author:** ![poet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@poet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/poet)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/230 "2011-03-26T17:06:59Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Wow, **poet** , thank God you’re here to point that out. We’d have been lost without you. Indeed. Why hadn’t you pointed it before me? ---
**Author:** ![poet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@poet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/poet)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/231 "2011-03-26T17:08:40Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > That’s because all our IQ’s topped out at 125. Oh, please. That wasn’t to be braggadocio, but to counter NDD’s claims. At times, I’m a mere 125, myself. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/232 "2011-03-26T17:13:16Z")
> [@poet](#): > > Indeed. Why hadn’t you pointed it before me? I think someone started a thread about it in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![poet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@poet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/poet)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/233 "2011-03-26T17:31:04Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I think someone started a thread about it in the Pit. Oh, well, I’m a newbie…and trying to learn my way. Excuse. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/234 "2011-03-26T17:36:40Z")
Poet, you seem like a smart person. But that wasn’t a very smart post. I’m the one that started this thread and I obviously agree that New Deal Democrat has racist views. But we’re a couple of hundred posts into it by now and simply stating repeatedly that he’s racist and bigoted isn’t adding anything new to the debate. You’d do better contributing something beyond what’s already been said. And the points you did make were anecdotal. While your IQ is impressively high, I’m sure there are black people who support NDD’s belief by having IQ’s of 70. And while there indisputably are white criminals, there indisputably are also black criminals. You and NDD could throw individual facts at each other forever. You need to step back and present at the overall data. Finally, was it necessary to mention your IQ score three times? You’ll make more of an impression by demonstrating your intelligence rather than proclaiming it. Even if you are the most intelligent person in the room, you contribute more by sharing your knowledge rather than just telling everyone else you have it. And, as a bit of advice, there are a lot of very smart people on this board - it’s a bad idea to assume you’re the smartest one around. ---
**Author:** ![boufbowl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f4b2a3/32.png) [@boufbowl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boufbowl)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/235 "2011-03-26T17:43:34Z")
> [@poet](#): > > Indeed. Why hadn’t you pointed it before me? wait, why did you, **Poet** , decide to re-quote the OP’s entire message and add nothing substantive or meaningful (red text that just says things like “racist” or “kkk-thought” under each of his quotes) in a thread entitled “new deal democrat and his views on race” that is 5 pages long? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/236 "2011-03-26T17:45:26Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > as a bit of advice, there are a lot of very smart people on this board Yeah, we have _several_ Jews _and_ Asians. (And on a side note, I really do prefer setting posts-per-page to the maximum allowed by the board. For me, this is a two page thread.) ---
**Author:** ![poet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@poet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/poet)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/237 "2011-03-26T17:51:49Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Poet, you seem like a smart person. But that wasn’t a very smart post. > > I’m the one that started this thread and I obviously agree that New Deal Democrat has racist views. But we’re a couple of hundred posts into it by now and simply stating repeatedly that he’s racist and bigoted isn’t adding anything new to the debate. You’d do better contributing something beyond what’s already been said. > > And the points you did make were anecdotal. While your IQ is impressively high, I’m sure there are black people who support NDD’s belief by having IQ’s of 70. And while there indisputably are white criminals, there indisputably are also black criminals. You and NDD could throw individual facts at each other forever. You need to step back and present at the overall data. > > Finally, was it necessary to mention your IQ score three times? You’ll make more of an impression by demonstrating your intelligence rather than proclaiming it. Even if you are the most intelligent person in the room, you contribute more by sharing your knowledge rather than just telling everyone else you have it. And, as a bit of advice, there are a lot of very smart people on this board - it’s a bad idea to assume you’re the smartest one around. Well, of course you take me out of context. My 'impressively high IQ", is not the issue, it was, as you say, “anecdotal”, and more of an attempt to counter NDD’s repeated mentioning of how desperate , inadequate and depraved blacks were. I didn’t see any evidence of anyone taking him to task for that, though I’m sure he has been. I have no illusions of being the most intelligent one in the room. I take comfort in knowing I can keep up with the most intelligent one in the room. Forgive me for making this about me. ---
**Author:** ![poet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@poet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/poet)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/238 "2011-03-26T17:54:35Z")
> [@boufbowl](#): > > wait, why did you, **Poet** , decide to re-quote the OP’s entire message and add nothing substantive or meaningful (red text that just says things like “racist” or “kkk-thought” under each of his quotes) in a thread entitled “new deal democrat and his views on race” that is 5 pages long? Perhaps, because it was news to me. And I didn’t find it necessary to defend my statements by saying much more, as ridiculous and outrageous as NDD’s statements suggested. Pleased to meet you as well. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/239 "2011-03-26T19:06:05Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I know when I get just the right amout of fried chicken and grape soda in me, I always go on a wild killing spree. I also drop several IQ points and spontaneously produce out-of-wedlock babies, like in Gremlins. My hypothesis is that certain foods activate the Scary Negro gene cluster. All I have to do is pass by a Popeye’s and I can feel the mRNA start gearing up. (Yes, I can sense on the cellular/molecular level. It’s a black thang. Ya’ll wouldn’t understand.) Nah, I’m black and while I don’t particular like fried chicken, I’m not really into it that much…in fact, I can say I only eat fried chicken when theres no other option. (work schedule go to KFC and grab a bite 'cuz its close and I gotta get back, etc.). But they opened a new Churches Chicken in Fayetteville. Maybe they add the special ingredient that will turn me into a Scary Black Criminal. (doubtful, my wife bought some home and I thought it sucked.) > [@](#): > > Maybe black people who carry these genes can receive gene therapy, or at least have their embryos screened. Scary Negro is often associated with great beauty, though, especially in women. Naomi Cambell is a well-known sufferer of Scary Negro Syndrome. Plus, the genes confer the ability to swivel your neck as you tell someone off…which comes in handy when you’re riding the bus and someone’s pushing all up on you. So there are some trade-offs we need to consider. Maybe all we have to do is change diet (like from fried chicken to baked, grape soda to orange). Simple changes like that and we can all live in harmony! I thought the neck swivel stuff was real though…(just kidding) ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/240 "2011-03-26T19:17:53Z")
> [@Jolly\_Roger](#): > > (doubtful, my wife bought some home and I thought it sucked.) [Duh that’s because Church’s chicken is formulated to turn blacks sterile.](http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/tropical.asp) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492.md?page=13)