# New Deal Democrat and his views on race **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 21, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492 "2011-03-21T18:47:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/21 "2011-03-21T21:10:07Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > You’ve got to be kidding me[URL=“[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism)”] He is. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/22 "2011-03-21T21:15:06Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > West Africa has some of the lowest homicide rates in the world. So he’s factually wrong, as well as racist. You mean peaceful West African nations like Sierra Leone or Liberia. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/23 "2011-03-21T21:17:39Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > You mean peaceful West African nations like Sierra Leone or Liberia. No, like Ghana, Senegal and the Ivory Coast (til recently). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/24 "2011-03-21T22:00:39Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Flipping though his posts, he appears to be a pretty by the numbers Democrat outside of the racial stuff. I imagine he wants the party to go back to is pre-war state where it was focused on economic issues and fairly pro-segregation. You mean he’s pre-southern strategy? Wow, that’s like finding a time capsule. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/25 "2011-03-21T22:11:49Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > You mean peaceful West African nations like Sierra Leone or Liberia. There are countries in West Africa other than those. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/26 "2011-03-21T22:28:02Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Although I am quite sure he is not racist because some of his friends are black. Yep, that completely lets him off the hook. Beyond that (according to a couple of hilarious posts in [this recent Dope thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=580689&highlight=jews+hollywood)) 1) a person can be biased against a particular ethnic group without being bigoted, and 2) you’re not a bigot if you just say bigoted stuff, you have to commit an actual bigoted act. So **New Deal Democrat** by those definitions is absolutely positively **not** a racist, and those who say so are just a bunch of meanies trying to stifle honest debate. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Max\_the\_Immortal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Max\_the\_Immortal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_the_Immortal)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/27 "2011-03-21T22:35:20Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > But, hey–we have the identity of **Ariovistus** ’ [secret](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12819464&postcount=543) admirer. I remember that thread. I’m rather amused that that guy never got the ban he was obviously trolling for. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/28 "2011-03-21T22:55:11Z")
Wow. I couldn’t even force myself to finish reading past the first half dozen or so quotes. I have no idea how you could stomach finding and linking to all those. I’d lay odds that some careful digging would find a link between this poster and Stormfront (though I’m not suggesting that be done!). ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/29 "2011-03-21T22:56:36Z")
He’s not the only one who has expressed this range of ideas on this board, is he? I seem to recall at least one other poster who says stuff like this, but I can’t recall the name. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/30 "2011-03-21T22:58:29Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You mean he’s pre-southern strategy? Wow, that’s like finding a time capsule. The last of the free-range Dixiecrats. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/31 "2011-03-21T23:05:08Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > He’s not the only one who has expressed this range of ideas on this board, is he? I seem to recall at least one other poster who says stuff like this, but I can’t recall the name. **Chief Pedant** and **Chen** -some-number-or-other. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/32 "2011-03-21T23:08:08Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > I’d lay odds that some careful digging would find a link between this poster and Stormfront (though I’m not suggesting that be done!). I wouldn’t. As was noted, he’s pretty much a straight-line Democrat, except for his views on race. And he never says anything about racial purity or preventing the mixing of races. I’ve poked around SF out of morbid curiosity, and he’s nothing like the loonies you find over there. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/33 "2011-03-21T23:31:20Z")
It’s always framed as Yay Whitey! Boo blacks. Never Yay Asians! Yay Jews! Boo Whites. You’d think a racist Asian or Jew would eventually make a topic or site somewhere and…oh yeah, that’s right. They’re smarter than white people. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/34 "2011-03-21T23:33:04Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Wow. I knew the two Ch-- posters were flaming racist idiots, but this guy flew under my radar. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > **Chief Pedant** and **Chen** -some-number-or-other. Just as long as you don’t lump me in there because of my **Ch…** username. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2011, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/35 "2011-03-21T23:38:35Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I presume the handle is intended as a subtle smear job, akin to Fox News “mistakenly” identifying the Republican glory hole aficionado / felony indictment _du jour_ as a “Democrat”? As others have said, he really appears to be a sincere liberal on most issues. It’s just that he can’t see his attitude towards black people as a problem. He feels it’s just a rational reaction to the facts and it’s people who think black people are equal to white people who are deluding themselves. There’s a lot of references to [_The Bell Curve_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve). ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/36 "2011-03-22T09:20:35Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > You mean peaceful West African nations like Sierra Leone or Liberia. CRIME: Entrenched poverty in Sierra Leone has led to criminality. Visitors and resident U.S. citizens have experienced armed mugging, assault and burglary. Petty crime and pick pocketing of wallets, cell phones, and passports are very common especially on the ferry to and from Lungi International Airport. Law enforcement authorities usually respond to crimes slowly, if at all. Police investigative response is often incomplete and does not provide support to victims. Inefficiency and corruption is a serious problem at all levels within the government of Sierra Leone. Americans traveling to or residing in Sierra Leone should maintain a heightened sense of awareness of their surroundings to help avoid becoming the victims of crime. > **[404 - Page Not Found](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/404.html)** CRIME: While the Department of State has rated Liberia high for crime, most crimes that occur within the expat community are crimes of opportunity (which increase during the hours of darkness), with an occasional residential burglary, and armed robbery (use of knife or machete). The Liberian National Police have limited capacity to respond to crime events, thus crime is much higher in Liberian communities where police are not visible. Driving in Monrovia presents a greater danger to residents and visitors, as traffic laws are either nonexistent or unenforceable by police, thus traffic accidents are frequent and often result in injury and loss of life. The police are ill equipped and largely incapable of providing effective protection or investigation. Criminal activity has been reported in both urban and rural areas. > **[404 - Page Not Found](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/404.html)** ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/37 "2011-03-22T09:26:13Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > There are countries in West Africa other than those. I you go to [www.yahoo.com](http://www.yahoo.com) and type in the name of a sub Saharan country + crime + “Dept of State” you will get a website provided by the State Department. Every time I have done that I have found that the black African country has an extremely high crime rate. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/38 "2011-03-22T09:30:58Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Wow. I couldn’t even force myself to finish reading past the first half dozen or so quotes. I have no idea how you could stomach finding and linking to all those. I’d lay odds that some careful digging would find a link between this poster and Stormfront (though I’m not suggesting that be done!). I do not think Stormfront would like this passage from an essay by Charles Murray. I do. * * * Commentary April 2007 Insofar as I am suggesting that the Jews may have had some degree of unusual verbal skills going back to the time of Moses, I am naked before the evolutionary psychologists’ ultimate challenge. Why should one particular tribe at the time of Moses, living in the same environment as other nomadic and agricultural peoples of the Middle East, have already evolved elevated intelligence when the others did not? At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God’s chosen people. [http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/jewish-genius/](http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/jewish-genius/) ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/39 "2011-03-22T09:33:18Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I do not think Stormfront would like this passage from an essay by Charles Murray. I do. Obviously, you’re a better class of racist. Or something… ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2011, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/40 "2011-03-22T09:36:36Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Flipping though his posts, he appears to be a pretty by the numbers Democrat outside of the racial stuff. I imagine he wants the party to go back to is pre-war state where it was focused on economic issues and fairly pro-segregation. The New Deal coalition of Northern social democrats and Southern segregationists was not an incongruous as it seems in retrospect. The Northern social democrats were post capitalist. The Southern segregationists were semi feudal and pre capitalist. Both disliked commercial values and the corporate establishment. In his book The Emerging Republican Majority Kevin Phillips said that when the black population of a states is less than ten percent it does not effect white voting behavior. When it gets over ten percent whites get nervous. When it approaches fifty percent the control of those blacks is the issue nearly all whites agree on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492.md?page=3)