# New Deal Democrat and his views on race **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 21, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492 "2011-03-21T18:47:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/141 "2011-03-23T11:23:25Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > We all do. This is silly. The fallacies of composition and division are quite easy to recognize once you realize how, and quite easy to avoid once you recognize them. Racism, prejudice, bigotry… they all become literally un-thinkable without fallacious reasoning. That’s part of why finding someone who is prejudiced is a significant thing. If everybody is prejudiced then it’s unremarkable, understandable and unexceptional. If prejudice is an _aberration_, then it’s worth taking note of and calling out. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/142 "2011-03-23T13:08:36Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > This is silly. The fallacies of composition and division are quite easy to recognize once you realize how, and quite easy to avoid once you recognize them. Racism, prejudice, bigotry… they all become literally un-thinkable without fallacious reasoning. Obligatory response: [Everyone’s a little bit racist](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHKIMOgoJoU). ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/143 "2011-03-23T13:21:06Z")
Kind of a funny bit, haven’t seen that in a while. But on a serious note, I generally find that “everybody is []” is a way that people who are can try to spread around their condition. Someone who says “everybody will steal if they get the chance,” well we know that they’re a thief and are trying to mentally excuse it/lessen their individual culpability. Same with “everybody will cheat and their romantic partner sooner or later” or what have you. While prejudice, bigotry and racism are vestiges of humanity’s past, they aren’t universal and they aren’t inexorable. It isn’t as if proper, rational perception is beyond us as a species. It’s only beyond some people as individuals. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/144 "2011-03-23T13:40:59Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > \Were you thinking of [Race: Yea or nay?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=578189) Yes, exactly. I thank you. And the hamsters thank you. I’ll quote [myself](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12942809&postcount=196) from that thread: > [@](#): > > As I stated earlier, the assignment of a taxonomic designation (species, subspecies/race, even higher levels) is intended to _convey information_, not distort understanding. Nor does the assignment of a taxon \*create \*information where none existed before. \ None of this changes the fact that, given the appropriate definitions of terms like race and/or subspecies, and given the reality of the human population of the world as it is right now, it is completely incorrect to assert that today’s humans can be divided into races. The attempt to do so distorts understanding of the human species, and attempts to create new information where there was none. The biological concept of race does not support the claims of racists. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/145 "2011-03-23T14:41:26Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > But that raises a very good question: what combination of races should we use to obtain the übermensch? A dash of black for athletic ability and the potential to improve organized violence, a splash of Jew to add sufficent deviousness and raw cunning, a bit of Asian for advanced technological ability and maybe even some Caucasian to make sure that the hybrid is really good at persecuting its opponents. > > I think we have a real shot at making a supervillain. Of all the threads on this board, THIS is the one that gives me G.I. Joe flashbacks? Clearly you need to use Sgt. Slaughter for your Caucasian (the animated one, not the flabby-ass pro wrestler) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/146 "2011-03-23T14:44:47Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > This is silly. The fallacies of composition and division are quite easy to recognize once you realize how, and quite easy to avoid once you recognize them. Racism, prejudice, bigotry… they all become literally un-thinkable without fallacious reasoning. You may wish to sit before I tell you this, but a significant portion of the world’s population does not sit around combing through its thought processes in search of logical fallacies. Startling, I know. When I first learned this, I dropped my calabash pipe and nearly fell out of the mahogany library chair in my reading room. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/147 "2011-03-23T14:53:53Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Of all the threads on this board, THIS is the one that gives me G.I. Joe flashbacks? I think that I could be persuaded to be racist against whatever ethnic group Serpentor was a member of. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > You may wish to sit before I tell you this, but a significant portion of the world’s population does not sit around combing through its thought processes in search of logical fallacies. Of course. A great many people are very stupid. But that doesn’t mean everybody is, let alone that it’s particularly difficult to inculcate an appreciation of just how wrong the fallacies of composition and division are. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/148 "2011-03-23T15:07:57Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > In a recent thread, I was admonished that I shouldn’t say anything that implied that what another poster wrote might be indicative of racism. With that in mind, I will simply offer these quotes from New Deal Democrat without comment and let people form their own conclusions. You’re allowed to call someone a racist in teh BBQ pit. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/149 "2011-03-23T15:16:33Z")
> [@NDD](#): > > If there is a genetic predisposition to engage in crime, and I am confident there is, there will not be one crime gene, but a constellation of genes. When they are discovered it will be easy to determine that most convicted felons have a large number of them, and that most people without felony convictions have few or none. It will also be possible to determine which babies are likely to become criminals, and which will be unlikely to develop that way. I suspect you are correct regarding the idea that there will be a constellation of genes. I suspect you are incorrect that they will code for predisposition to engage in crime. First, it is almost certainly the case that a constellation of genes will code for each of a constellation of brain function processes that themselves will interact with environmental factors to yield individual differences in likelihood to engage in crime. Criminal behavior is indisputably itself quite heterogeneous. There are varied types and severities. I might have no qualms about speeding, but still be very unlikely to commit homicide. I might not have any problem fudging my personal income taxes, but may still refuse to engage in insider trading. Genes likely code for processes underlying impulse control, or ability to engage in problem solving, or ability to take others’ perspective, or ability to perceive others’ emotional states, or ability to respond empathically to others’ emotional states, or tendency to employ a hostile attribution bias to one’s interpretation of others’ behavior, or tendency to feel irritable, and so on and so forth to dozens or hundreds of different functional processes related to the ultimate manifestation of criminal behavior. But, this ultimate manifestation will also only express itself after interaction with environmental factors (parenting, family environment, socioeconomic environment, peer relationships, etc). Thus, I don’t think it will ever be as simple as you envision that it will be to distinguish groups based on genotype. For instance, I think that features like limited perspective taking, callousness and impaired intellectual functioning will be observed (and genetically encoded for) amongst criminals. I also think that these will be observed and genetically encoded for amongst people who hold racist points of view. What do we do when we find these genetic matches? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/150 "2011-03-23T15:34:51Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I think that I could be persuaded to be racist against whatever ethnic group Serpentor was a member of. We should find out how New Deal Democrat feels about the criminal tendencies of Cobra-La residents as an ethnicity. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/151 "2011-03-23T15:51:18Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Sorry, takes more to achieve Jewish Supremacism than a mere surgical alteration. > You need The Jew Gene. Damnit! although, given how mixed my heritage is, I wouldn’t be surprised if I have some Jewish ancestor. It’s just not possible to say with certainty like the others. Hell, given the Lemba, Ethiopian Jews, Chinese Jews and Indian Jews, I’d be a lot more surprised if I didn’t. Supervillainy is still a possible career move…but I don’t like fluffy white cats. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/152 "2011-03-23T16:31:05Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Damnit! although, given how mixed my heritage is, I wouldn’t be surprised if I have some Jewish ancestor. It’s just not possible to say with certainty like the others. Hell, given the Lemba, Ethiopian Jews, Chinese Jews and Indian Jews, I’d be a lot more surprised if I didn’t. Supervillainy is still a possible career move… **but I don’t like fluffy white cats**. (bolding mine) How do you feel about sharks with lasers? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/153 "2011-03-23T16:32:51Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Damnit! although, given how mixed my heritage is, I wouldn’t be surprised if I have some Jewish ancestor. It’s just not possible to say with certainty like the others. Hell, given the Lemba, Ethiopian Jews, Chinese Jews and Indian Jews, I’d be a lot more surprised if I didn’t. Supervillainy is still a possible career move…but I don’t like fluffy white cats. You can tell if you probably have The Jew Gene. First, ask yourself if you have an uncontrollable urge to scheme, plot and/or connive. Then ask yourself if you feel the need to live in a country as a full citizen only so you can betray your own home to benefit other people with The Jew Gene. Then ask yourself if the thought of smoked salmon on a bagel with cream cheese and onions sounds good. If you answered yes to all these, you probably have The Jew Gene. > [@Zeriel](#): > > We should find out how New Deal Democrat feels about the criminal tendencies of Cobra-La residents as an ethnicity. Cobras are obviously not as criminally dangerous as blacks. To start with they don’t rape every white woman they can get their hands on but, more importantly, they can’t shoot for shit with their fancy laser rifles while blacks, NDD tells us, are great at murder. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/154 "2011-03-23T16:44:45Z")
Shouldn’t there be something in there about subverting young people with movies and music? I hear your people are all over that one too. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/155 "2011-03-23T16:51:27Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > We should find out how New Deal Democrat feels about the criminal tendencies of Cobra-La residents as an ethnicity. Nemisis Enforcer scored poorly on standardized tests. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/156 "2011-03-23T17:34:26Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Shouldn’t there be something in there about subverting young people with movies and music? I hear your people are all over that one too. It’s not a characteristic exclusive to The Jewish Agenda though, see rap music and brokeback mountain. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/157 "2011-03-23T18:47:06Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > **Chief Pedant** and **Chen** -some-number-or-other. Chief Pedant and Chen19 are not in New Dmocrat’s league. They hide behind factoids and accuse us of being unable to handle the uncomfortable truths about race in America. New Democtrat is just flat out racist. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/158 "2011-03-23T18:48:10Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > As others have said, he really appears to be a sincere liberal on most issues. cite please. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/159 "2011-03-23T19:21:19Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > cite please. What? I need to go through all his posts a second time? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/160 "2011-03-23T19:49:53Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Eventually the truth will come out. The facts are everywhere. The facts are already well known. Its your interpretation of those facts that people take issue with. Black children are largely born to single mothers and there is a high correlation between single parenthood and socioeconomic failure of teh black child. If you want to argue that the welfare state broke the bonds that held black families together, we can do that without insinuating that black men are naturally shiftless and prone to abandoning their children. That it is THIS phenomonen (laid squarely on teh shoulders of the black man) that is to blame for the break down of black society, then fine but there is reasearch that indicates that white children born to single mothers do not underachieve nearly as much as black children born to single mothers. Are the white mothers better mothers? Do they have better support systems? Are the biological white fathers more involved in some way that black biological fathers are not? Is it a chid support issue? Its really hard to just look at that factoid and then sneer at the inferior black population. When presented with the differences in IQ at any given socioeconomic level, some people are willing to assume that the whole thing is attributable to current and historic racism which no study to date has been able to adequately take into account. Others assume that this IQ difference is genetic and this is an indication that not only are blacks inferior intellectually, they are unevloved in other ways (they are prone to violence and crime and all the other stuff that New Democrat associates with blacks) and the bleeding heartys are just making excuses for a population that needs to be held to the same standards as the rest of us, not a permissive atittude towards their unacceptable behaviour. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492.md?page=9)