# New Deal Democrat and his views on race **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 21, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492 "2011-03-21T18:47:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/161 "2011-03-23T20:08:12Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > I have read people complaining that black students are more likely to be expelled from public schools than white students. That would bother me if it could be proven that blacks are not more likely to be unruly than whites, but it cannot be. In fact, black students are more likely to be discipline problems. Cite? > [@](#): > > Because blacks do have a much higher crime rate than whites, racial profiling is a legitimate way the police can proactively deal with crime. I’m pretty sure there is a constitutional issue with racial profiling but its been a while I thought about it. > [@](#): > > If it can be proven that racial differences in intelligence and crime are primarily determined by genetics there should be an end to affirmative action, forced school busing, and AFDC, and a harsher criminal justice system. Those are directions the United States has been moving in since at least 1980. How does lower intelligence eliminate past racism or prove that the effects of past racism have been remediated? It just means taht affirmative action does not need to achieve parity. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/162 "2011-03-23T20:11:43Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > One more point: I am in favor of efforts to reduce economic inequality, but I think they should be made without reference to race or sex. The emphasis should be on strengthening labor unions, raising the minimum wage, and on a well financed public sector of the economy paid for by steeply progressive taxation, rather than on affirmative action programs. Affirmative action programs discriminate against white men, especially working class white men, and contribute to the fact that most of them vote Republican. Affirmative action is most common in government jobs and college admissions. I have heard a lot of Asian parents express negative sentiment about affirmative action because it ends up handicapping their children and forces them to work much harder than a similar white student in order to get into a good school. I presume Jewish parents might feel the same way. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/163 "2011-03-23T20:24:34Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > My parents were fairly permissive with me. I never got into trouble with the police or in school because… …you are white… > [@](#): > > Also, if one can be tested for crime genes, this would be important in deciding which criminals should be paroled and which ones should not be. People are not slaves to their genetic predispositions. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/164 "2011-03-23T20:30:33Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Sorry, takes more to achieve Jewish Supremacism than a mere surgical alteration. > You need The Jew Gene. You mean [this guy](http://www.heebmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/GeneShalit-300x224.jpg)? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/165 "2011-03-23T20:35:21Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > \*\*The world according to New Deal Democrat, a Theatrical Skit, by Lobohan: > > \*\ ***White House Chief of Staff** : “Mr. President, this is Hershel Wang, PhD. He’s here to fix the economy.” > > **President** : “Thank Jesus, [momentarily embarrassed] (whoops, sorry about that Wang), I’ve been limited by my unfortunate genetics to forever see the solution floating off in the mists, just out of reach of these black hands.” [holds hands out and stares unfocused into the distance] > > **Wang** : “It’s all right sir. Doing my bit for the country would both be good \*joss \*and a _mitzvah_.” > > [Curtain falls] There are a lot of Chinese girls being raised by Jewish parents. There are a lot of kids with jewish fathers and Asian mothers (oddly not that many with Asian fathers and jewish mothers but that’s probably an entire thread on its own). Perhaps one of these Chinese Jewish girls will invent Cold Fusion. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/166 "2011-03-23T20:51:01Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Of all the threads on this board, THIS is the one that gives me G.I. Joe flashbacks? > > Clearly you need to use Sgt. Slaughter for your Caucasian (the animated one, not the flabby-ass pro wrestler) We don’t carefulyl splice together the black violence and big penis gene with the Jewish cunning gene and the Asian math gene to achieve some übermensch. You just end up with a guy with a medium size penis who is deviously cunning at math. What you do is you hyperconcentrate the violence gene and make all black guys soldiers, football players and postal workers; hyperconentrate the Jewish gene and make them run Hollywood and form a secret cabal that secretly runs the world, and you hyperconcentrate the math gene in Asians so they can figure out how to float the RMB without collapsing teh Chinese economy. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/167 "2011-03-23T21:21:46Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > There are countries in West Africa other than those. The first step to prove a theory is to ignore data that contradicts it. It makes thing easier. > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Fuji, > An interesting exception is Russia. I attribute the high murder rate in Russia to the economic and social dislocations that followed the fall of the Soviet Union. Like this. > [@Bricker](#): > > Just a quick note that in my years as a public defender I had more than one accused white mugger. So from here on out, if **NDD** is reading: you cannot say you’ve never heard of a white mugger. I don’t believe it. You Mexicans are not trustworthy.\* \*I know you’re not Mexican, but I am sure NDD doesn’t care for us spics either. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/168 "2011-03-23T22:11:31Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You mean [this guy](http://www.heebmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/GeneShalit-300x224.jpg)? Strangely enough, actually a distant relative of mine. But I suspect that The Jew Gene may be on the same chromosome as the [pissing off Terry Gross Gene](http://www.erim.net/archives/gene-simmons-and-terry-gross-interview). ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/169 "2011-03-23T22:49:25Z")
Oops. NM. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/170 "2011-03-23T22:53:43Z")
Yeah, Elephant Americans are notoriously prone to editing out posts. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/171 "2011-03-23T23:41:30Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Yeah, Elephant Americans are notoriously prone to editing out posts. Don’t be picking on him just cause he’s Shrewish. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/172 "2011-03-23T23:42:22Z")
… he doesn’t look Shrewish. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/173 "2011-03-24T01:02:45Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You mean [this guy](http://www.heebmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/GeneShalit-300x224.jpg)? No, silly, [this one.](http://www.legendaryhalloween.com/image-files/gene-simmons-destroyer-costume.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/174 "2011-03-24T01:03:46Z")
… ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/175 "2011-03-24T01:05:38Z")
That shows that The Jew Gene may be chromosomaly linked to The Monstertongue Gene, and of course, the Gene Gene. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/176 "2011-03-24T02:00:08Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > That shows that The Jew Gene may be chromosomaly linked to The Monstertongue Gene, and of course, the Gene Gene. You can’t fool me. Gene Gene was black. And I’m pretty sure I once saw him mug Chuck Barris. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/177 "2011-03-24T02:10:19Z")
The Gene Gene Gene is different from the Gene Gene and the Jew Gene Gene and the Gene Jew Gene. Duh. Also, I have it on good evidence that Gene Gene didn’t actually mug anybody, but instead used clever plotting to subvert the leaders of The Gong Show and got _them_ to mug Barris for him. Now if that doesn’t speak to the presence of the Jew Gene Gene Gene, I don’t know what does. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/178 "2011-03-24T02:25:16Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I suspect you are correct regarding the idea that there will be a constellation of genes. I suspect you are incorrect that they will code for predisposition to engage in crime. > > First, it is almost certainly the case that a constellation of genes will code for each of a constellation of brain function processes that themselves will interact with environmental factors to yield individual differences in likelihood to engage in crime. > > Criminal behavior is indisputably itself quite heterogeneous. There are varied types and severities. I might have no qualms about speeding, but still be very unlikely to commit homicide. I might not have any problem fudging my personal income taxes, but may still refuse to engage in insider trading. > > Genes likely code for processes underlying impulse control, or ability to engage in problem solving, or ability to take others’ perspective, or ability to perceive others’ emotional states, or ability to respond empathically to others’ emotional states, or tendency to employ a hostile attribution bias to one’s interpretation of others’ behavior, or tendency to feel irritable, and so on and so forth to dozens or hundreds of different functional processes related to the ultimate manifestation of criminal behavior. But, this ultimate manifestation will also only express itself after interaction with environmental factors (parenting, family environment, socioeconomic environment, peer relationships, etc). > > Thus, I don’t think it will ever be as simple as you envision that it will be to distinguish groups based on genotype. For instance, I think that features like limited perspective taking, callousness and impaired intellectual functioning will be observed (and genetically encoded for) amongst criminals. I also think that these will be observed and genetically encoded for amongst people who hold racist points of view. > > What do we do when we find these genetic matches? Yep. All excellent points. And it’s even more complicated than that. Any such genes would probably manifest different behaviors in different social environments. They may even be controlled by epigenetic processes, adding yet another layer of complexity. It’s ridiculous how so many idiots like to play amateur geneticist and talk about thinks like a gene for criminal behavior. Oh, yeah, it’s just Cc and if you get cc, you’re a criminal! Just like I learned about the peas in 7th grade. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/179 "2011-03-24T02:49:55Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yep. All excellent points. And it’s even more complicated than that. Any such genes would probably manifest different behaviors in different social environments. They may even be controlled by epigenetic processes, adding yet another layer of complexity. I know when I get just the right amout of fried chicken and grape soda in me, I always go on a wild killing spree. I also drop several IQ points and spontaneously produce out-of-wedlock babies, like in Gremlins. My hypothesis is that certain foods activate the Scary Negro gene cluster. All I have to do is pass by a Popeye’s and I can feel the mRNA start gearing up. (Yes, I can sense on the cellular/molecular level. It’s a black thang. Ya’ll wouldn’t understand.) Maybe black people who carry these genes can receive gene therapy, or at least have their embryos screened. Scary Negro is often associated with great beauty, though, especially in women. Naomi Cambell is a well-known sufferer of Scary Negro Syndrome. Plus, the genes confer the ability to swivel your neck as you tell someone off…which comes in handy when you’re riding the bus and someone’s pushing all up on you. So there are some trade-offs we need to consider. Maybe all we have to do is change diet (like from fried chicken to baked, grape soda to orange). Simple changes like that and we can all live in harmony! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492/180 "2011-03-24T03:16:26Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Y > It’s ridiculous how so many idiots like to play amateur geneticist and talk about thinks like a gene for criminal behavior. Oh, yeah, it’s just Cc and if you get cc, you’re a criminal! Just like I learned about the peas in 7th grade. C’mon, would criminals always be walking around with black eyes like that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-deal-democrat-and-his-views-on-race/575492.md?page=10)