# New discussion thread for Israel/Gaza/West Bank (Hijacks tolerated) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war, hijacks-tolerated\ **Created:** [July 12, 2026, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615 "2026-07-12T00:17:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2026, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/222 "2026-07-23T17:34:55Z")
He wanted money to go to Hamas. He could have tried to redirect it to the PA, or some charity, in order to help Gazans, but money going to Hamas better served his goal of fighting against two states. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2026, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/223 "2026-07-24T11:27:36Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > There is something in sociology called a reverse dominance hierarchy. Its where people in the goal of egalitarianism, try to put those on top on the bottom, and put those on bottom on the top. That’s not what Boehm meant by a reverse dominance hierarchy, and you’ve grossly misunderstood it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2026, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/224 "2026-07-24T18:28:02Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > That’s not what Boehm meant by a reverse dominance hierarchy, and you’ve grossly misunderstood it. You know, when posters blithely state another poster is wrong, the general method is to tell us what the right interpretation is. Do you know what the right interpretation is? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2026, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/225 "2026-07-24T21:38:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You know, when posters blithely state another poster is wrong, the general method is to tell us what the right interpretation is. I wasn’t posting for “us”, whoever that may be. Just Wesley. This is not FQ. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Do you know what the right interpretation is? Yes, I do. [You could, too](https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/204166). Assuming you have academic journal access. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2026, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/226 "2026-07-24T23:17:43Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Yes, I do. So, tell us. A cite we cant get to? I mean if you know enough to say > [@MrDibble](#): > > grossly misunderstood it. Then you must be able to explain. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2026, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/227 "2026-07-25T02:10:05Z")
The tldr as I understand it is that in a reverse dominance hierarchy, regular citizens treat their leaders as servant leaders, view the leadership role as solely a duty and not something that leaders should be able to benefit from and are quick to resist power hungry leaders. It has nothing to do with the idea of privileged or underprivileged minority groups. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2026, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/228 "2026-07-25T03:39:09Z")
I had no problem getting to that site. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2026, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/229 "2026-07-25T03:50:18Z")
It is paywalled to read the whole article. > Log in to access your subscription > > **[Log in](https://subfill.uchicago.edu/JournalPubs/UCPSSO/SSOLogin.aspx?returnurl=%2Fdoi%2Fpdf%2F10.1086%2F204166%3Fdownload%3Dtrue)** > > **Log in now if you have an individual subscription this journal, or if you’ve already purchased this article or review.** > > **Subscribe to this journal now using the ‘’Subscribe’’ drop-down menu, or by** [visiting our individual subscriptions page.](https://subfill.uchicago.edu/JournalPUBS/JournalsList.aspx) > > * * * > > #### Log in to access your member subscription > > **For access to this journal through your membership in a sponsoring organization, click the ‘’Browse issues’’ drop-down menu and choose ‘’Member access.’’** > > * * * > > #### Log in through your institution > > **Visit your institutional library website to log in or contact your librarian for access to this journal. Some institutions may provide** _[Single Sign-On access here.](https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/action/ssostart?redirectUri=%2Fdoi%2Fpdf%2F10.1086%2F204166%3Fdownload%3Dtrue)_ ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2026, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/230 "2026-07-25T06:26:27Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > So, tell us. Read the article. > [@DrDeth](#): > > A cite we cant get to? May I suggest asking your local library for access, if you’re unable or unwilling to find a simple pdf online through other means. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Then you must be able to explain. Fortunately, due to our time differences, DeadTreasSecretaries covered it already: > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > It has nothing to do with the idea of privileged or underprivileged minority groups. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2026, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/231 "2026-07-25T06:49:21Z")
It is not a secret PDF. You want a different link? > **[1993-boehm.pdf](https://gwern.net/doc/sociology/intrasexual-aggression/1993-boehm.pdf)** > > 790.00 KB ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2026, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/232 "2026-07-25T20:17:28Z")
The public polling in the US has massively swung against Israel recently: > **[Enten: "The General Electorate Has Turned Against Israel"](https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/enten-general-electorate-turned-against-130000144.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKaFAwlLQn7cUurVLx-csYHYRSyLQO34nhVSJF9T_BQen17icT4UlKgAoobHEURK2ZKOwfjGaaI882vhSp7FRCQ7p9NJwM6Zv3hoarH1_rh0y4WoyiCnaJKV3B5nOldf7Bol0q_cssCAj9_V6m6y33YOhZM_Q64SrTlmnd9OkA1m)** > > JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: We're watching Democratic primaries all summer long, and there's some big ones coming up. Over the summer, it's been largely seen as a Democratic issue, but it might not just... IMO this is mostly due to more visibility and attention on Israeli atrocities, as well as partial blame on Israel for this dumb war and Netanyahu’s favoring of Trump and Republicans. Any other theories on why such a big change? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2026, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/233 "2026-07-26T01:06:41Z")
> **[How Americans View the Israel-Hamas Conflict 2 Years Into the War](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/10/03/how-americans-view-the-israel-hamas-conflict-2-years-into-the-war/)** > > About six-in-ten now say they have an unfavorable view of the Israeli government, with a rising share saying Israel is "going too far." > Nearly two years into Israel’s military operation against Hamas in the Gaza Strip following Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel, Americans’ skepticism of Israel’s operation and its government is higher than at earlier points in the conflict: > > - **39% now say Israel is going too far** in its military operation against Hamas. This is up from 31% a year ago and 27% in late 2023. > - **59% now hold an unfavorable opinion of the Israeli government,** up from 51% in early 2024. The question remains- how to end the war? Hamas keeps rejecting peace plans- > **[Hamas rejects disarmament clause of Gaza peace plan, IDF reports 14 ceasefire...](https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2026/04/hamas-rejects-disarmament-clause-of-gaza-peace-plan-idf-reports-14-ceasefire-violations-from-april-8-to-16.php)** > > Kinetic events and military actions continue in Gaza, including 14 violations of the fragile ceasefire by Palestinian terrorists, according to the Israeli military. The Israel Defense Forces has documented an uptick in planned attacks against Israeli... > Hamas officially [rejected](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4vvxxg8lgo?xtor=AL-71-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_id=3D1332F2-380F-11F1-B8E6-ECC582151642&at_format=link&at_medium=social&at_link_type=web_link&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_campaign_type=owned&at_link_origin=BBCNews&at_ptr_name=twitter) the multinational Board of Peace’s mandate for the group to agree to complete disarmament on Tuesday, threatening a core principle of US President Donald Trump’s 20-point Gaza peace [plan](https://www.lawandisrael.org/wp-content/uploads/Topics/Gaza/2023-Conflict/Trumps-20-point-plan-29sep25.pdf). The Board of Peace had set an April 14 deadline for Hamas to accept the phased disarmament plan. Meanwhile, on the ground in Gaza, Hamas and other Palestinians terrorists violated the current ceasefire agreement at least 14 times between April 8 and 16, according to Israeli military reports. > **[Hamas rejects Gaza disarmament plan, Palestinian official says](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4vvxxg8lgo)** > > The official tells the BBC that the armed group will not move forward with talks until Israel fully complies with its commitments. (paywalled) If Hamas wont accept peace deals, how to proceed? And Israel also has said NO to peace deals. > **[A Guide to the Gaza Peace Deal | Council on Foreign Relations](https://www.cfr.org/articles/guide-trumps-twenty-point-gaza-peace-deal)** > > Months into a long-awaited ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, strikes are constantly breaking out and major obstacles still remain for the Trump-led cohort in negotiating lasting peace. > Hamas has reaffirmed its “commitment to all the terms of the agreement,” the scope of which included the group’s disarmament, [according](https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/26/hamas-must-disarm-trump-00748192) to the White House. However, as the ceasefire [shifted](https://www.timesofisrael.com/senior-hamas-official-we-never-agreed-to-disarm-no-ones-raised-it-with-us-directly/) into its second phase in January, Hamas contradicted Washington and said it never agreed to that provision. Several outlets, including the [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98g1klxnpxo), [AFP](https://www.arabnews.com/node/2633828/middle-east), and [Al-Monitor](https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2026/02/hamas-tightens-grip-gaza-trump-pushes-peace-plan), also reported recently that Hamas is working to reassert control in areas where its members are present. > > Both sides hold positions that are not in line with each other or the blueprint being supported by the international community. For example, the peace plan does not guarantee the establishment of a Palestinian state, a [longtime goal](https://www.cfr.org/articles/quest-palestinian-statehood-what-know) of the PA, the Palestine Liberation Organization, numerous UN Security Council resolutions, and the policy position of several U.S. administrations…One of the biggest challenges for the ISF could be Hamas fighters, who are still active in Gaza and whose leadership still reportedly rejects the peace plan provisions for its disarmament and surrender of future leadership in the enclave. And ending US Military aid wont stop the war either- the US supplies only a small % of the IDF’s budget and the big ticket items are Missile defense. But yeah - Netanyahu’s and Hamas intransigents is keeping the war going. Either Hamas has to go, or Netanyahu. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2026, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/234 "2026-07-26T01:55:26Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > If Hamas wont accept peace deals, how to proceed? …what your cite _actually_ says: > [@](#): > > The official said Hamas told regional mediators that it would not engage in talks on the second phase **until Israel fully implemented the terms of the first phase.** Bolding mine. This shouldn’t be controversial. Israel _keeps killing people_. They’ve killed over a thousand people since the “ceasefire” so far and they are well on their way to doubling that in the next few months. Phase one was supposed to allow into Gaza 600 aid trucks _per day_. According to the UN and NGO’s they’ve almost never exceeded _half_ of that. Less than 300 trucks per day. Sometimes they’ve even cut off access to trucks all together. No, you can’t move on to phase two until _Israel complies with phase one_. That’s just common sense. Also from your cite: > [@](#): > > Hamas contradicted Washington and said it never agreed to that provision. This is _true_. This is very much like what happened with Te Tiriti o Waitangi, New Zealand’s founding document. The Crown signed the english version of the treaty and the Chiefs signed the Te Reo version but the two versions said _different things_. And those different things are the cause of much of the debate today. I cited the version Hamas signed earlier in the thread. That is _different_ from the version in your cite. The version Hamas signed didn’t include disarmament, only an _amnesty_. I remember this exact thing when the White House release their version and how it was pointed out at the time they were different. Hamas are not rejecting “peace plans”; they are rejecting disarmament plans that they never agreed to. They _are_ proceeding with the handover plans to the National Committee for the Administration of Gaza. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2026, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/235 "2026-07-27T15:45:27Z")
> **[Ex-IDF generals appeal to Trump, warn of ‘calamity’ if PM doesn’t curb...](https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-idf-generals-appeal-to-trump-warn-of-calamity-if-pm-doesnt-curb-settler-violence/?utm_source=The)** > > Hundreds of retired security officials urge US president to force Netanyahu's hand in West Bank, say politics leave army 'severely constrained when it comes to Jewish terrorists' Israeli generals say that West Bank violence is almost entirely being driven by settler terrorists, and _not_ Palestinians (or Hamas). And that a failure to curb this violence could be even more catastrophic for Israel than Oct 7th. Israeli government and military actions in the IDF have, for years, put the lie to any assertion that Israeli authorities are actually interested in peace and human rights. No one can or should expect such an organization to respect these values in Gaza or anywhere else, considering their clearly documented actions in the WB. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2026, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/236 "2026-07-27T16:58:20Z")
This article from Haaretz suggests the Israeli government is actively trying to encourage an explosion of violence in the West Bank in order to help them electorally: > **[Analysis • With the West Bank primed to explode, Israel's government sees an...](https://www.haaretz.com/west-bank/2026-07-24/ty-article/.premium/with-the-west-bank-primed-to-explode-israels-government-sees-an-opportunity/0000019f-94b7-df92-a7ff-b6b761580000?fromLogin=success)** > > Some Israeli decision-makers are actively seeking a major West Bank escalation, hoping it will enable Israel to dismantle the Palestinian Authority, seize more territory and create a security crisis ahead of the October 27 election The Israeli right, which currently controls the government and IDF, is every bit as much an enemy of humanity as Hamas and Hezbollah. ---
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> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1032057/15): > > I just don’t understand why it always goes back to blaming Israel for everything. You just have to look at it through the lens of oppressor-oppressed dynamics. Once you realize that Israel are ‘oppressors’ while Palestinians are ‘oppressed’ you can blame any Palestinian action you dislike on ‘Israeli Oppression’ and ignore it entirely in your analysis. > [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1032057/15): > > Absolutely befuddling. Is it? Garbage in, garbage out, and oppressor/oppressed dynamics are a garbage lens when applied to every single situation ever regardless of context. GIGO isn’t befuddling, it’s predictable. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2026, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/253 "2026-07-31T13:41:10Z")
Note that all my opinions are based on the reported facts of Israel’s actions, Netanyahu’s words, documented reports from IDF members and witnesses, international organizations, etc. Nothing about BS “oppressor-oppressed dynamics”. I’m a Jew and a descendant of Holocaust survivors, and was a supporter of Israel and believer that Israel was not an obstacle to peace for almost all my life. My opinion changed based on facts and reporting of the last 2-3 years. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2026, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615/254 "2026-07-31T18:31:45Z")
> **[Trump says Board of Peace has reached agreement for disarmament of Hamas](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj03m512r4go)** > > A senior Hamas official has told the BBC they have agreed to the Board of Peace's plan. Israel has not commented. > A senior Hamas official has told the BBC the group has agreed to the Board of Peace’s plan to completely disarm in Gaza and that an official statement would be released soon. Israel has yet to comment…It is part of the second phase of a US-brokered Gaza ceasefire plan that includes the disarmament of Hamas, the withdrawal of Israeli troops and the reconstruction of Gaza.The US president said Israel would withdraw from Gaza “as disarmament is completed” and called the agreement “a critical step towards Gaza finally being governed by a new Palestinian government”. Well, I have some doubts, but maybe? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-discussion-thread-for-israel-gaza-west-bank-hijacks-tolerated/1031615.md?page=13)