# New Disney / George Clooney Film, Tomorrowland **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 10, 2015, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680 "2015-03-10T06:59:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/21 "2015-03-11T03:03:54Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Mission to Mars was based on a Disney ride? No, it wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/22 "2015-03-11T05:25:29Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > One hit and four misses. If you count the Pirates sequels, one hit and seven misses. That’s your opinion. I like all the _Pirates_ movies. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2015, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/23 "2015-03-13T05:21:47Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Mission to Mars was based on a Disney ride? That depends on how you define “based on”. There’s obviously a connection. The movie was made by Disney and there was a Disneyworld ride called _Mission to Mars_ (it’s closed now). As for how much the movie was based on the ride, well, how much can anyone base a movie on a ride? It’s not like there’s a lot of narrative in an amusement park ride. You just sort of use the general theme of the ride and invent characters and a story. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2015, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/24 "2015-03-14T02:40:43Z")
Well, it was made by Touchstone, which is owned by Disney, but I don’t think it had any Disney branding. And according to Wikipedia, the ride had been closed down for seven years by the time the movie came out. The name is so generically descriptive, and Disney’s media empire so wide-ranging, it seems more likely to be coincidence than anything else. I mean, it’s pretty clear that films like PotC or Haunted Mansion exist because some Disney exec said, “We’ve got these enormously popular and famous rides. How can we make more money off of them without having to get more people to fly out to California or Florida?” I’m pretty sure _Mission to Mars_ was never part of any such conversation. I suspect it went more like: “That big budget sci-fi film is shaping up to be a real turkey. We’re going to have to slap a name on it at some point.” “What’s it about again?” “Well, there’s this mission to Mars…” “Done.” (When this film was in the theaters, the theater near me was also looking to staff up for the Summer season. Which led to a marquee that read: MISSION TO MARS - Now Hiring!) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2015, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/25 "2015-03-14T03:45:56Z")
Disney rarely does things in a haphazard fashion. They’re on top of the game when it comes to promoting their brand. My guess is they put the name _Mission to Mars_ on the movie with the awareness they had a historical link to the name. If the movie had been a success they had a easy opportunity to capitalize on it by re-opening the attractions in their parks. ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/26 "2015-03-16T21:13:27Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > I got a pretty heavy Ayn Rand vibe from _The Incredibles_, and this line from the _Tomorrowland_ trailer gives me pause: “What you saw was a place where the best and brightest people in the world came together to actually change it.” > > Hmm. The Incredibles pulls from Rand only in that it does suggest “it’s okay to try to be extraordinary.” It never suggests, however, that “the ordinary” aren’t worth helping. That’s the Randian bit that’s worth railing against. The main characters of The Incredibles are regularly putting themselves in harm’s way on behalf of ordinary people for no reward other than being able to fully use their talents. That’s pretty explicitly couterindicated by Rand. If Bird meant to parrot her ethos, he did it by making a movie I believe she would hate. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/27 "2015-03-16T21:34:47Z")
“A secret city where all the smart people live while letting the rest of us idiots go hang,” is a pretty Randian concept, but it’s the execution that matters. Like **typoink** pointed out, “Extraordinary people are being held back from their true potential by society,” is also a very Randian concept, but the execution of that concept in _The Incredibles_ reaches a conclusion that is diametrically opposed to what Rand thought was correct. I’m curious to see if this movie does something similar. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/28 "2015-03-17T01:28:50Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Tomorrowland isn’t even a ride, it’s a section of various Disney parks. So I guess the movie could be about standing in line with your kids in the Florida sun. That’s more like it! Now, let’s take it darker and edgier! ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/29 "2015-03-17T12:05:28Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Disney rarely does things in a haphazard fashion. They’re on top of the game when it comes to promoting their brand. > > My guess is they put the name _Mission to Mars_ on the movie with the awareness they had a historical link to the name. If the movie had been a success they had a easy opportunity to capitalize on it by re-opening the attractions in their parks. The ride was, in a word, awful. The original one in Disneyland was just a rebrand of “Rocket to the Moon.” The only “ride” part was when you sat in chairs that simulated a rocket takeoff by inflating the seat slightly. No one missed it when it closed, no one wanted it back. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/30 "2015-03-17T12:28:28Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > The ride was, in a word, awful. The original one in Disneyland was just a rebrand of “Rocket to the Moon.” The only “ride” part was when you sat in chairs that simulated a rocket takeoff by inflating the seat slightly. No one missed it when it closed, no one wanted it back. I have been to a Disney place only once when I was 12 and this ride is one of my clear memories. Hell, I liked it. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/31 "2015-03-17T12:38:46Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > That’s more like it! Now, let’s take it darker and edgier! One raincloud. Sunshowers. And maybe some seagulls… ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/32 "2015-03-17T12:43:02Z")
After 45 minutes of slowly winding your way through the line, the ride vehicles finally come into sight. Suddenly, you get that tug on your arm, and the words that send chills down your spine - “Daddy, I have to pee…” ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/33 "2015-03-17T12:56:54Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > The ride was, in a word, awful. The original one in Disneyland was just a rebrand of “Rocket to the Moon.” The only “ride” part was when you sat in chairs that simulated a rocket takeoff by inflating the seat slightly. No one missed it when it closed, no one wanted it back. Whereas now they have “Mission: Space.” Which simulates a rocket takeoff by making you throw up. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/34 "2015-03-17T13:14:40Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > Whereas now they have “Mission: Space.” Which simulates a rocket takeoff by making you throw up. That just means you don’t have the Right Stuff to be a Steely Eyed Missile Man. Actually though, they disabled the centrifuge on one side of the ride (the Green side), so it just throws you around a bit. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/35 "2015-03-17T13:24:24Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > That just means you don’t have the Right Stuff to be a Steely Eyed Missile Man. Well, I already knew that! I didn’t need a vomit ride to tell me so! ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/36 "2015-03-18T16:10:36Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Tomorrowland isn’t even a ride, it’s a section of various Disney parks. So I guess the movie could be about standing in line with your kids in the Florida sun. It’s been done. > **[https://www.hulu.com/series/south-park-69ceddec-44ed-4122-af29-d31a7315876d](https://www.hulu.com/series/south-park-69ceddec-44ed-4122-af29-d31a7315876d?content_id=290679)** > > Underpants-stealing gnomes, a talking Christmas poo, metrosexual Crab People…Every episode of this critically-acclaimed and award-winning show is packed with unforgettable adventures, cutting satire, and hilarious absurdity – from pissed off... ---
**Author:** ![Osiris\_the\_1st](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9de0a6/32.png) [@Osiris\_the\_1st](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osiris_the_1st)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/37 "2015-03-18T18:30:50Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > I got a pretty heavy Ayn Rand vibe from _The Incredibles_, and this line from the _Tomorrowland_ trailer gives me pause: “What you saw was a place where the best and brightest people in the world came together to actually change it.” > > Hmm. That could easily mean the best and brightest came toogether to work for the common good rather than the selfish and myopic goal of amassing greater and greater weath at any cost. All depends on the context. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680/38 "2015-03-18T18:37:32Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > I got a pretty heavy Ayn Rand vibe from _The Incredibles_, and this line from the _Tomorrowland_ trailer gives me pause: “What you saw was a place where the best and brightest people in the world came together to actually change it.” > > Hmm. Sounds less like Rand than Lenin. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-disney-george-clooney-film-tomorrowland/714680.md?page=1)