# {New Dr Who Season, UK pace} \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347 "2011-04-22T12:42:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/281 "2011-05-08T22:51:01Z")
If they drown under the water, sure, they stay dead because if they regenerate the next body just dies again. If you pull them out of the water prior “at the point of death”, which is where Rory was at, they probably can either be revived or regenerate, with the new body able to survive since it’s not underwater. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/282 "2011-05-08T23:15:44Z")
I thought Rory was still a plastic blow-up doll from the Roman era? Did they do a quick reset at the end of the last series? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/283 "2011-05-08T23:19:09Z")
They reset the entire UNIVERSE. Rory ceased being an Auton when the old one winked out. New Rory has the Auton’s memories (but only sometimes), but he was recreated as a human, not an Auton. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/284 "2011-05-09T00:04:24Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > No, drowned timelords die. See the episode _Turn Left_. Not necessarily. We saw from The Master that a Time Lord can choose to not regenerate. The Doctor, without Donna, was in a very bad place and quite possibly chose not to regenerate at that time. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/285 "2011-05-09T00:38:09Z")
> [@Don\_Draper](#): > > I noticed the vanishing crewman too. I’m willing to bet that there was a “missing moment” that may be explained later on in the series. Kind of like the scene from last year’s episode “Flesh & Stone” where the Doctor (after losing his jacket) is shown talking to Amy with the jacket still on - there were a lot of comments about the “goof”, but it turned out it wasn’t a goof at all. Last weeks’ episode “Day of the Moon” has some obvious “missing scenes” from it, and perhaps this is going to be a running theme for the year - “missing moments.” > > At least, I’m hoping that’s the case… Last week, BBCamerica showed a program about Doctor Who in America, consisting of “inside Doctor Who” details; surely it’s available somewhere. I seem to remember one of the actors or other personnel saying that they knew at least one happening early this season would relate to something appearing in episode 12 of _next_ season. So we could be dealing with a _very_ long arc here. Or maybe somebody just messed up. My opinion: A somewhat amusing episode allowing us to “rest” after the mental gymnastics of the opening two. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/286 "2011-05-09T00:47:52Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > I think the point is that Rory trusted Amy to do it, and The Doctor allowed her to do so. Possibly he could have done better, maybe he could have saved Rory with a flick of a switch, but he wanted Amy to do it. “Jayne. This is something the captain has to do for himself” “NO IT’S NOT!” “oh, ok.” ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/287 "2011-05-09T00:47:54Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > I seem to remember one of the actors or other personnel saying that they knew at least one happening early this season would relate to something appearing in episode 12 of _next_ season. So we could be dealing with a _very_ long arc here. Even if it’s through 12 of this season that’s still a pretty healthy arc. Do we actually know that it’s even renewed through next season? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/288 "2011-05-09T00:52:13Z")
The second half of this season, that is being delayed by a couple of months, is sometimes being officially referred to as “next season” even though it’s the same season. I wish they wouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/289 "2011-05-09T09:08:18Z")
Detail spotting: The alien spacesuit clearly had D.H.I.T. printed on the shoulder (IIRC). At first I wondered why they were English letters but assume it’s the TARDIS translating things again; however, it was rather conspicuous for an irrelevant detail. Wonder what that’s about. ETA: I agree with the various problems with the presentation of CPR. At the very least you might have thought the sonic screwdriver could do defib in a pinch. ---
**Author:** ![Candyman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Candyman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Candyman74)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/290 "2011-05-09T09:33:51Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > It could be the TARDIS sick bay is set up for Gallifreyans, not humans, which might be a serious problem. While the Doctor might have the excuse of being an alien and not knowing much about human phsysiology that seems…odd given how much he hangs out with humans, how long he has done that, and the sheer number of injured humans he has encountered in his life, you’d think he’d pick up at least some knowledge. It seems odd to me that he knows a hundred times more than any human about every single science except, it appears, medical science. What’s so special about biology that he’s not an expert at it in the same way he is about physics, chemistry, astrophysics, timey-wimey-ics, etc.? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/291 "2011-05-09T09:36:20Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The alien spacesuit clearly had D.H.I.T. printed on the shoulder (IIRC). **D.I.H.S.** You’re right, that might be significant in the overall arc. Or something that was edited out of the episode. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/292 "2011-05-09T09:45:39Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > **D.I.H.S.** Damn. Misremembered. Thanks for the correction. Speculation begins: D is for “Doctor”… ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/293 "2011-05-09T09:57:28Z")
Dalek Institute for Human Studies ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/294 "2011-05-09T10:17:22Z")
D.I.H.S. or maybe D.1.H.S looks more like a one. Nasty tusks on that brute. 😉 here is a vidcap I made > **[ImageBam](https://www.imagebam.com/image/3d5557131488952)** > > Image Hosting, Image Upload, Picture Hosting ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/295 "2011-05-09T12:00:36Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > 2008, according to [this news article](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23884566/). Though admittedly, that says that it should still be done in cases of near-drowning. But still, the Doctor should be able to do better! > > In reality, CPR isn’t even treatment for anything; it’s just a way of prolonging life until medical personell arrive. But _every_ show gets that wrong. … It’s a hijack but still - The official Red Cross guidelines still advise and teach the traditional approach but approve compression only as an acceptable substitute for the usual collapse/presumed cardiac cause subject. It may turn out that compression only is better in those circumstances since moving the blood some is most important and the stops for breaths may get in the way of that more than it gains. But for near drowning the issue is the lungs aren’t working. If the heart has stopped, yes, compressions in addition to rescue breathing but 1) rescue breathing is the key thing and 2) the heart has stopped because of prolonged hypoxia which means the brain has had prolonged hypoxia and the outcome is unlikely to be all that good. And a significant nitpick. For the traditional collapse/presumed cardiac cause with no heart beat - it is not waiting for medical help, it is waiting for a defibrillator. If you are in public place that has one (called an AED for automatic External Defibrillator) then using it is the current key part of CPR. Many public areas have them on the walls now. They are pretty damn idiot proof to use, hence the automatic part of the name. Otherwise, yes, the shows almost all do it wrong. Back to the show - yeah, the eye patch lady is, to the best of my speculations, either telling us that current events are actually in Amy’s head only (memory, dream, whatever) or she exists and does not exist in a quantum way as reality flits between states. And I am not crazy about fitting her into either version so far so I hope they have something better for us. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/296 "2011-05-09T14:14:31Z")
> [@Candyman74](#): > > It seems odd to me that he knows a hundred times more than any human about every single science except, it appears, medical science. What’s so special about biology that he’s not an expert at it in the same way he is about physics, chemistry, astrophysics, timey-wimey-ics, etc.? His weakness in species-specific type stuff is totally understandable. Every week, more or less, he mete and deals with a different species. The required knowledge for medicine changes every place he goes - physics and chemistry should be the same no matter where or when he goes. That being said, with his dedication to Earth and Earthlings, The Doctor not being a miracle worker when dealing with human medicine is pretty unbelievable. Especially with aasingn untrained Amy half-assing CPR and The Doctor watching helplessly like a man with no experience in crisis situations. Now, those dead aliens - one-shots or something significant? At first I thought they were Jadoon, but from the cap posted that is obviously not right. Silents? Certainly doesn’t their MO, but the oversized skull fits. Ood, maybe? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Marlitharn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/779978/32.png) [@Marlitharn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marlitharn)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/297 "2011-05-09T16:00:20Z")
I don’t think they’re Ood; the Ood was a slave race until Ten freed their master brain, and after that they seemed to stick close to their own planet, huffing campfire fumes and singing. I think this may be a species we haven’t seen before. I’m waiting for the LOLpic of “Oh my God, they killed Rory! You bastards!” I’d make one myself but I’m lazy and unmotivated. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/298 "2011-05-09T16:36:19Z")
They have long snouts with rodent-like teeth, and pteranodon-like fins on the back, neither of which either the Silence or the Ood have (the Ood, in fact, don’t seem to have jaws, and it’s questionable what the internal structure of a Silent head is like). Even assuming the two corpses we saw were of different species (as we don’t get a good look at the back of the head of the skeleton they find first, nor the face of the one whose boogers the Doctor plants his hand in) - neither of those species have either of the noticeable features alone, either. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/299 "2011-05-09T23:25:09Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Something that my wife and I both noticed this episode. > > At one point we’ve got Amy, Rory, Toby, and the two remaining pirates (apart from the Captain) locked in a room. The two pirates are going to leave, and Toby cuts one of them with the cutlass. > > Then, the other pirate decides it’s time to go it alone, and he runs off and grabs the treasure, only to be eaten by the Siren because of the crown. > > …and when we get back to the room the other pirate seems to have vanished. What happened? Did we both miss something? I definitely noticed the missing pirate, but I just assumed BBCA did a hack job on the episode to make room for commercials and removed a scene or part of a scene explaining what happened to that guy. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/300 "2011-05-09T23:54:16Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > I definitely noticed the missing pirate, but I just assumed BBCA did a hack job on the episode to make room for commercials and removed a scene or part of a scene explaining what happened to that guy. I saw the tea-slurping fog-breathing version and no, it wasn’t BBCA doing a hack job this time. -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347.md?page=16)