# {New Dr Who Season, UK pace} \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347 "2011-04-22T12:42:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/21 "2011-04-24T02:54:01Z")
I liked the Easter Island joke. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/22 "2011-04-24T05:17:47Z")
Oh it was so good!! I can’t wait to see what happens next week. Those aliens were really creepy looking. Moffat sure is good at making the hairs stand up on the back of your neck. ---
**Author:** ![dzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@dzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzero)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/23 "2011-04-24T06:36:14Z")
Wonderful debut. My WAG: Amy still has abilities of a weeping angel (from having almost been converted last season) and will be prescient and/or partially immune to . . . whatever. WAG2: Humans are the ancestors of the time lords. ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/24 "2011-04-24T07:12:07Z")
> [@Don\_Draper](#): > > - The mysterious entity “the Silence” will revealed to be… River Song herself. (She debuted in a story called “Silence in the Library”, it’s strongly hinted that she kills the Doctor at some future point, and Stephen Moffatt has gone to a lot of effort to get the audience to like & get behind this character - it’s seems only apropo that he is planning on pulling the rug out from beneath everybody. Speculation I think she’s going to kill the Tardis. It’s been such a constant in the series, that killing it would be a far bigger shock than killing the doctor. Besides, I’m enjoying Matt Smith too much to see him regenerate just yet. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/25 "2011-04-24T07:44:10Z")
> [@sohvan](#): > > Speculation > > I think she’s going to kill the Tardis. It’s been such a constant in the series, that killing it would be a far bigger shock than killing the doctor. Besides, I’m enjoying Matt Smith too much to see him regenerate just yet. Given that the TARDIS dying was the big element of the last series, that would be a retread too soon. Not that I think River’s going to kill any of the heroes. Her killing ‘a good man’ was in her relative past, and it doesn’t look like we’ll see such in this series. And by her death, if she’d done it again, it’s unlikely she’d have been in the position she needs to be in for Silence in the Library. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/26 "2011-04-24T09:19:20Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > Not that I think River’s going to kill any of the heroes. Her killing ‘a good man’ was in her relative past, and it doesn’t look like we’ll see such in this series. And by her death, if she’d done it again, it’s unlikely she’d have been in the position she needs to be in for Silence in the Library. But aren’t we most likely to be moving further into her relative past through this series? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lissla\_Lissar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lissla\_Lissar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissla_Lissar)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/27 "2011-04-24T11:11:39Z")
Mr. Lissar thinks she kills Rory when she first meets the Doctor. I think he’s wrong. We’ll see. Their timelines can’t be perfectly inverted because the next-to-last-time River sees the Doctor is when he gives her the sonic and cries. The things were creepy, but the worst part is the silent lurking, urgh. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/28 "2011-04-24T12:33:33Z")
That was some amazingly effective tension-building. The fact that we know something horribly scary and important is going on just right…there… while the characters are totally oblivious… Yeah. Has anyone looked to see if the room River and Rory ended up in matches the machine that was being built in the attic in the roommate episode last year? Legs, Nose and Mrs. Robinson. ---
**Author:** ![howye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9adbd/32.png) [@howye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/howye)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/29 "2011-04-24T12:46:05Z")
> [@Lissla\_Lissar](#): > > Mr. Lissar thinks she kills > > Rory when she first meets the Doctor. I think he’s wrong. We’ll see. Their timelines can’t be perfectly inverted because the next-to-last-time River sees the Doctor is when he gives her the sonic and cries. > > The things were creepy, but the worst part is the silent lurking, urgh. If Moffat has any balls, that is who it is. And I think we can agree that he does indeed have the brass ones to do that. [SPOILER]River says she kills a good man, the best man. That is NOT the Doctor, who would be the first to admit it. He has done bad things. But Rory? He has never wavered in doing the right thing. River obviously allows herself to be held in prison, so she agrees with her punishment. And from a story persepective, it has to be a charachter that the audience connects with and will feel the emotional blow. What better emotional punch can you get than to end the series with Rory dead, Amy separated from the Doctor either pregenant or with a baby, and River in prison? And no fix, no reset for all of it. Just a guess though.[/SPOILER] ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/30 "2011-04-24T12:48:03Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > I cannot emphasise enough that people should **not** view the BBC Doctor Who website, prior to broadcast tonight. There are a couple of images that are gigantic spoilers. I can’t believe that they been posted, frankly. What were the spoilers? I’m sure it’s something I should have noticed, but I didn’t. But I can’t find it. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/31 "2011-04-24T13:31:47Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > What were the spoilers? I’m sure it’s something I should have noticed, but I didn’t. But I can’t find it. The Doctor regenerating. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/32 "2011-04-24T13:32:52Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Has anyone looked to see if the room River and Rory ended up in matches the machine that was being built in the attic in the roommate episode last year? It’s the same design. There was a little girl asking for help in that episode too… ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/33 "2011-04-24T13:56:32Z")
> [@Jennmonkye](#): > > I thought it was terrific and as a bonus to the normal fantastic cast, I LOVED Matt Sheppard in this episode–he’s just solid in everything he does! [William Morgan Sheppard](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Morgan_Sheppard)! It’s surprising, given the amount of SF he’s done, that this was his first _Dr. Who_. Most terrific was, despite being 78, he still looks like the WMS I first met in _Marat/Sade_ in 1967! (Unless you meant his son Mark Sheppard who’s playing the young version of Canton Everett Delaware III. In which case :smack:.) > [@sohvan](#): > > Speculation > > I think she’s going to kill the Tardis. It’s been such a constant in the series, that killing it would be a far bigger shock than killing the doctor. Besides, I’m enjoying Matt Smith too much to see him regenerate just yet. I _thought_ that happened during/caused Big Bang II and wasn’t a still unanswered question? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Lissla\_Lissar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lissla\_Lissar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissla_Lissar)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/34 "2011-04-24T15:04:32Z")
Yeah, they still need to know who blew up the TARDIS and what The Silence wanted and what the significance of Amy’s wedding date was and a bunch of other things. I’m starting to come around about Rory dying. That would be awful. Normally I’m okay with Doctor Who tension but last night I was hiding and shrieking. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/35 "2011-04-24T19:53:57Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > The Doctor regenerating. I have a feeling you may have just been _whooshed_ back there. Anyway, I think the big spoiler that everyone was complaining about for real is the picture of… the Cybermen. As for speculation so far.. No way did the Doctor really die back there. They may drag the plot point out for the season, but that time will certainly be re-written eventually. I do suspect I know the reason _why_ he did it though - to prevent himself from regenerating into the Valeyard. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/36 "2011-04-24T21:56:09Z")
> [@Don\_Draper](#): > > Anyway, I think the big spoiler that everyone was complaining about for real is the picture of… > > the Cybermen. There was one of those in the season preview trailer, so no. ---
**Author:** ![Jennmonkye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/278dde/32.png) [@Jennmonkye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennmonkye)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/37 "2011-04-24T22:00:26Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > [William Morgan Sheppard](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Morgan_Sheppard)! It’s surprising, given the amount of SF he’s done, that this was his first _Dr. Who_. Most terrific was, despite being 78, he still looks like the WMS I first met in _Marat/Sade_ in 1967! > > (Unless you meant his son Mark Sheppard who’s playing the young version of Canton Everett Delaware III. In which case :smack:.)I _thought_ that happened during/caused Big Bang II and wasn’t a still unanswered question? > > CMC fnord! D’oh…meant Mark Sheppard…total mis-type…so yep…:smack: ---
**Author:** ![thwartme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@thwartme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thwartme)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/38 "2011-04-24T22:21:51Z")
Was there a voice over by Amy Pond near the start of the episode? So… I watched the BBC’s broadcast version (obtained through means which shall not be discussed here), but my friend watched the broadcast on Space (the Canadian science fiction channel). He said that he didn’t like the voice over, and I asked ‘what voice over?’. Was there a difference between the U.K. and North American broadcast versions? I went back and re-checked my copy, there’s definitely no voice over… Thanks, thwartme ---
**Author:** ![howye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9adbd/32.png) [@howye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/howye)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/39 "2011-04-24T22:44:31Z")
There was a quick “recap” voiceover at the beginning of the opening credits. Not sure why BBC America thought that was needed after replaying the previous series all day and then running a hour long recap show. Will see if it remains next week. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/40 "2011-04-24T22:49:55Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Has anyone looked to see if the room River and Rory ended up in matches the machine that was being built in the attic in the roommate episode last year? Absolute first thing I thought when I saw it. But wasn’t that one basically like a lifeboat from some alien Carnival Cruise that had crash-landed somehow? So, unless the repeat motif is that the creepy guys are also just poor castaways (and it damned sure doesn’t look like it), could it just be a coincidence and lazy production team? -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347.md?page=3)