# {New Dr Who Season, UK pace} \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2011, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347 "2011-04-22T12:42:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/421 "2011-05-18T13:29:47Z")
> [@chrisk](#): > > He may well have rewritten Time Lord history, given it an end, and ‘locked’ it in place so that the other Time Lords could not rewrite his changes. Then, he can’t encounter other Time Lords because his own lock gets in the way. This is my assumption. The Doctor fixed the sequence of events that are key to the conclusion of the Time War. He can’t undertake any actions that would alter its outcome, thus he doesn’t run into previous incarnations of his dead Time Lord buddies. The Time Lords are still there in history, and everyone who should remember them does. This does not mean that some Time Lords aren’t still around, of course. But with the destruction of Gallifrey, they’d have had some trouble operating their TARDISes at first anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/422 "2011-05-18T16:29:39Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > I wonder - would the Land of Fiction be considered a bubble universe, like E-Space or House-Space? As it existed in “The Mind Robber”, yes. Two deliberately took the TARDIS outside of reality for repairs and that’s where it ended up. It’s subsequently featured in two novels and four audio adventures so its state now is questionable but this can be avoided altogether by having Eleven visit after Two left and before the other adventures. ---
**Author:** ![Candyman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Candyman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Candyman74)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/423 "2011-05-18T17:19:39Z")
> [@chrisk](#): > > I don’t think there can be a stable timeline in which a person like the Doctor exists, but didn’t have parents of his own kind and a society that educated him. Why not? It’s clear we don’t understand “timey wimey” stuff, and the show is clearly comfortable with paradoxical things. ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/424 "2011-05-18T21:39:16Z")
I saw a great theory about River on another website… If the girl from Day of the Moon is a young River, then a little River is a stream, and if you rearrange the letters, you get… ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/425 "2011-05-18T21:49:31Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > I saw a great theory about River on another website… > > If the girl from Day of the Moon is a young River, then a little River is a stream, and if you rearrange the letters, you get… I think ever since ‘Torchwood’, the show has been bedeviled by fans trying to make anagrams out of anything they could. Somebody rearranged ‘Mister Saxon’ to get ‘Master No. Six’ back in season 3, and actually counted the different incarnations of the Master that they’d seen on the screen. When asked, after the big reveal, the writing staff basically said "Wow, that’s clever. No, we didn’t put that in on purpose.’ 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/426 "2011-05-19T00:22:43Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > I saw a great theory about River on another website… > > If the girl from Day of the Moon is a young River, then a little River is a stream, and if you rearrange the letters, you get… [spoiler] I posted a theory about the river / stream / master connection, several months ago before the little girl appeared. I have also speculated that ‘stream’ might be the reason The Doctor keeps meeting people with water related names (Lake, Brooke, Pond) [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![vdgg81](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3d9bf3/32.png) [@vdgg81](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vdgg81)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/427 "2011-05-19T06:42:43Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > In The Two Doctors, with Collin Baker and Patrick Troughton, Baker’s version explained to Peri that when you travel though space and time as much as he does, you’re bound to run into yourself eventually. I go with the fanwank that matters in **The Two Doctors** were arranged by the CIA. I explain away Baker’s quote as either a joke or simply a reference to the events of **The Three Doctors** and **The Five Doctors**. Yes, I do realize I’m putting way too much thought into this. 😛 > [@Nobody](#): > > I’m not sure what you mean by the other three points, but for the first one, for me the mystery was figuring out what the heck was going on. Some of the stories like Ghost Light and Survival had me scratching my head. I mean, I get the overall stories, but a lot of the details 😕 The other three points were just explaining how come I still liked many of the McCoy era stories even though I agreed with your criticism. I do think the complexity/confusion of the stories you mentioned is a bit overstated (not by you particularly, but in general). Did you watch those on tv when they originally aired? Maybe that’s why they were confusing; I could never have watched _The Wire_ (just an example, not a comparison) if I had to wait a week between each episode. **Ghost Light** is one of my favorite stories from the old show. (From the McCoy era I loved **Remembrance** , **The Curse of Fenric** and **The Happiness Patrol** and liked **The Greatest Show in the Galaxy** and **Survival** a lot too. The production values of **Battlefield** were too low even for me.) (I seem to have a very bad habit of over-using parenthesis that I just can’t overcome (and I also never know where to place the period)). ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/428 "2011-05-19T07:15:00Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Yep. Me too. > > Neil, you brilliant bastard… > > Loved the episode, but I kept thinking _This should have been a David Tennant episode…_ Especially when the Doctor found the message boxes and realized what House had been doing. Smith is very good at portraying the Doctor’s chaotic energy, his intelligence, and his sense of humor - his is the _funniest_ of all the Doctors - but Tennant conveyed that and the Doctor’s sorrow, rage, and pain; as well as his moral sense. Tennant just seemed to have more range as an actor than does Smith - the scenes in _The Family of Blood_ between John Smith and the Matron, and the Doctor and the Matron are as moving as any I’ve ever seen on television. I also thought this was a really strong episode, but you’re right, Tennant seemed to better embody the forcefulness (for lack of a better word) of the Doctor – especially when he was scary, he was _really_ scary! A propos scary, to those who thought that the Doctor’s cheering on the TARDIS in the killing of house and things like it were out of character, I actually think that was deliberate – he did say something to the effect of ‘you gave me hope, and then crushed it; there’s no telling what I’ll do now’, referring to baiting him with the prospect of other living Timelords. I really think he did loose it (and himself) a bit there; and he’s always been in danger of that, we know as much. I actually think that’s one of the character’s most interesting aspects – he’s not one of those ‘natural’ good guys with an incontrovertible codex of morality, etc., instead, he struggles, constantly, and heavily. ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/429 "2011-05-19T08:07:40Z")
> [@chrisk](#): > > I think ever since ‘Torchwood’, the show has been bedeviled by fans trying to make anagrams out of anything they could. > > Somebody rearranged ‘Mister Saxon’ to get ‘Master No. Six’ back in season 3, and actually counted the different incarnations of the Master that they’d seen on the screen. When asked, after the big reveal, the writing staff basically said "Wow, that’s clever. No, we didn’t put that in on purpose.’ > > 🙂 I thought the writers _had_ come up with that whole “Master No Six” thing (mostly because I’ve never met anyone with the surname Saxon), so I thought this theory sounded good. Never realised it was a fan thing ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/430 "2011-05-19T12:45:49Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > A propos scary, to those who thought that the Doctor’s cheering on the TARDIS in the killing of house and things like it were out of character, I actually think that was deliberate – he did say something to the effect of ‘you gave me hope, and then crushed it; there’s no telling what I’ll do now’, referring to baiting him with the prospect of other living Timelords. I really think he did loose it (and himself) a bit there; and he’s always been in danger of that, we know as much. I actually think that’s one of the character’s most interesting aspects – he’s not one of those ‘natural’ good guys with an incontrovertible codex of morality, etc., instead, he struggles, constantly, and heavily. You also have to remember that The Doctor is no pacifist. When Doctor #4 deliberately kills Solon in The Brain of Morbius comes to mind. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/431 "2011-05-19T14:59:54Z")
> [@chrisk](#): > > Somebody rearranged ‘Mister Saxon’ to get ‘Master No. Six’ back in season 3, and actually counted the different incarnations of the Master that they’d seen on the screen. When asked, after the big reveal, the writing staff basically said "Wow, that’s clever. No, we didn’t put that in on purpose.’ > > 🙂 … while thinking to themselves _Just smile politely and walk away slowly, avoiding any sudden movements…_ ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/432 "2011-05-19T23:45:28Z")
Catching up. Trying not to spoiler myself and not staying on top of episodes. From the pirate episode, how come everyone else when injured and taken by the Siren ended up in statis in the med bay, but the Doctor and Amy and the Captain end up on a deck to wander around? Oops. > [@Nobody](#): > > Wait. Mouth to mouth isn’t done anymore? How long ago did it stop? > [@sohvan](#): > > I did my first aid training earlier this year, and they said that compressions only is better than no CPR at all, but not as good as the standard method. The breaths were said to be especially vital in drowning cases. I think this has been fairly well covered. I took CPR/AED training not long ago. The thing is, the chest is like a bellows. The lungs are an airsack, and the diaphram makes a seal with the chest cavity. You know how the Heimlich Maneuver works? You compress the chest and force air out. Okay, the Heimlich specifically presses under the diaphram, but there’s an alternate method for pregnant women that involves squeezing the chest directly. It works because squeezing the chest compresses the lungs, which forces air out. Just like exhaling has the diaphram push up and squeeze air out. So when performing chest compressions, you are alternately compressing the lungs, and then letting them expand a bit. The expansion is driven by the ribcage. The intent of the manual compressions is to squeeze the heart and thus force blood around, but it also squeezes the lungs and forces air out, and then air gets sucked back in when the ribcage normalizes. So for someone who collapses without an airway obstruction, there is sufficient air exchange during normal compressions to keep the blood oxygenated. Taking time to stop compressions, reset to breath position, give 2 breaths, then reset for compressions is actually detrimental because the most important part of CPR is keeping the blood pumping to the brain. Situations where you do need to give a breath involve airway obstructions, and suffocation, because in those cases the oxygen in the lungs can be depleated and carbon dioxide built up, or if drowning you need to remove the water that is in the way. And as previously stated, CPR is about delaying brain loss until help arrives - primarily in the form of an AED or emergency team with defibrillator. CPR itself does not restart the heart. There used to be a technique of manually attempting to restart the heart by using a large impact to the chest - you may still see that in old movies. But it was low likelihood of occurring, and electric shock works much better. So use CPR to stave off brain loss and get a defibrillator as quickly as possible. > [@Winnipeg](#): > > When I did my First Aid Course it was explained to us that our legal position had now changed, as we had now been educated in First Aid if we screwed up we could be sued for negligence and were no longer protected by Good Samaritan laws. I don’t know where that applies, but that is not the case here in Texas. If you’re a paid emergency responder, then maybe, but not to the average person who takes a CPR/AED course. > [@Bridget Burke](#): > > I seem to remember one of the actors or other personnel saying that they knew at least one happening early this season would relate to something appearing in episode 12 of _next_ season. So we could be dealing with a _very_ long arc here. I thought he said something from episode 12 of this year would answer a question from last season, but I could have that wrong. But yes, I gathered that Moffat is running really long story arcs. > [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Matt Smith’s first year is on view through this October; the first episode, as aired, was missing: > > > [@](#): > > > > Doctor: You know when grownups tell you, “Everything’s gonna be fine” and you think they’re probably lying to make you feel better? > > Amelia: Yeah. > > Doctor: Everything’s gonna be fine. That was in the episode I watched of BBCAmerica. > [@DSeid](#): > > This may be a stupid question but how can the box travel with House without a Tardis to power it? The Tardis appears to be a combination of a biological/energy lifeform and technology. House stole the Matrix - the consciousness center and “self”, but left the technology body and the energy in place so he could eat the energy, and the shells get discarded on the bone heap. I assume House tied in to the technology and energy and drove it himself in place of the consciousness center he removed. > [@Merijeek](#): > > Either way, though, you’d never make something the size of a phone booth/police box with inward-opening doors. No room. As someone pointe out, telephone booths did open in. That’s why they have folding half-doors. And the Tardis appears to have a half door. > [@chrisk](#): > > Would that possibly have been from one of Douglas Adams scripts? It’s a very close paraphrase of his descriptions of the Nutri-matic Drinks Dispenser. I does sound like something he’d write. > [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > Yes. No!! I mean it’s nothing like that. But if it helps, why not? 😉 > [@Nobody](#): > > :smack: Of course. > Or actually the clone of his daughter I think. No, Jenny is a daughter created from his DNA but modified so it isn’t a direct clone. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/433 "2011-05-20T01:41:56Z")
Just watched _The Doctor’s Wife_ again, and was struck by a line I didn’t appreciate on my first viewing: _Sexy_: Are all people like this? _The Doctor_: Like what? _Sexy_: Bigger on the inside. The _TARDIS_ is surprised that _people_ are bigger on the inside… Oh please please _please_ Neil, write another episode or five! ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/434 "2011-05-20T02:28:08Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > [spoiler] I posted a theory about the river / stream / master connection, several months ago before the little girl appeared. > > I have also speculated that ‘stream’ might be the reason The Doctor keeps meeting people with water related names (Lake, Brooke, Pond) > > [/spoiler] And it might also have something to do with the “throw-away” lines by the Doctor about the Corsair having incarnations as both a man and a woman… ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/435 "2011-05-20T12:31:05Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > As someone pointe out, telephone booths did open in. That’s why they have folding half-doors. Not British phone boxes. Their doors always opened outwards. And Police Boxes certainly did. Here’s a couple of images of genuine police boxes, with doors open. [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/3217/2792272492_d78e1c9803_b.jpg "Police Box, Chatham Historic Dockyard") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/richardandgill/2792272492/) [http://www.grampian.police.uk/About.aspx?id=451&pid=30;31;356;363;478](http://www.grampian.police.uk/About.aspx?id=451&pid=30;31;356;363;478) ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/436 "2011-05-20T12:48:14Z")
That’s weird. All the phone booths where I grew up (which was not, indeed, the UK) opened inward. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/437 "2011-05-20T13:06:11Z")
The classic British phone box is the [Red Phone Box](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_telephone_box) - especially the K6. Which have outward opening doors. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/438 "2011-05-20T13:07:34Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > That’s weird. All the phone booths where I grew up (which was not, indeed, the UK) opened inward. I’m betting the non-UK ones you grew up with likely had bi-fold doors, as well. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/439 "2011-05-20T13:15:11Z")
It makes sense for the TARDIS to have inward opening doors - like all doors, you want them to open with you when you’re running for safety. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347/440 "2011-05-20T13:41:52Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I’m betting the non-UK ones you grew up with likely had bi-fold doors, as well. No, they didn’t. They looked somewhat [like this](http://tastingspoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/nz-phone-booth.jpg). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-dr-who-season-uk-pace-edited-title/579347.md?page=23)