# New Fall Network TV shows **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 11, 2014, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221 "2014-09-11T19:22:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/41 "2014-10-01T16:13:55Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Saw two utterly dreadful sitcoms tonight: _Selfie_ and _Manhattan Love Story_. Two rom-coms with women who are both stupid and obnoxious. What year is this? Considering its usually men who are stupid and obnoxious in sitcoms… I’m guessing its 2014 and thankful that the old trend may be over ;). Though, considering Selfie is based on Pygmalion/My Fair Lady, the female lead would have to be intially that way… ---
**Author:** ![RedSwinglineOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a9adbd/32.png) [@RedSwinglineOne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedSwinglineOne)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/42 "2014-10-01T17:58:20Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Scorpion was so bad I was cringing. It doesn’t help that I have passing familiarity with what they were attempting to do, but I think anyone could recognize the stupidity. Aside from the fact that every aspect of the plotline was utterly ridiculous, they fail to demonstrate what is supposed to be the main point of the show. They want us to believe that the main characters are some kind of savants, unable to understand the world they live in. > [@](#): > > Well, Paige isn’t like us. She’s normal and translates the world for us while we help her understand her genius son… Yet they all seem rather well adjusted, and except for the fact that they all like to say “they way my mind works…”, they don’t seem to need any help at all. ---
**Author:** ![RedSwinglineOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a9adbd/32.png) [@RedSwinglineOne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedSwinglineOne)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/43 "2014-10-01T18:16:10Z")
I want to like Gotham, but I’m not sure I’m going to. In the first episode we meet like 5 villains already, and instead of taking some time to show how they develop into villains, they seem to already be fully formed characters. The Penguin already looks and acts like a penguin, and they call him penguin. Cat woman (or cat girl at this point) dresses in black, moves like a cat, is normally on a roof, wears goggles on top of her head like cat ears. Oh, and her name is Cat. No subtlety whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/44 "2014-10-01T18:33:30Z")
I wasn’t impressed by _Selfie_. Two good lead actors but the jokes were too thin on the ground. And the writers seem divided on the lead character - they want her to be unlikeable but they also want us to like her. And the social media gimmick doesn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/45 "2014-10-01T18:41:32Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Sounds like she’s a cop who doesn’t play by the rules. No doubt her Captain will be taking her off a lot of cases even though she knows in her gut that the perp is guilty. But she needs to come back to him with some evidence dammit. > [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Its far, far worse. > The new Captain is her ex-husband. They share custody. The kids are often in the precinct. Eating pizza and getting quality parent time amongst the perps. Okay, but admit it - it would have made all those Dirty Harry movies more interesting if his Captain had been his ex-husband. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/46 "2014-10-01T19:16:08Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Two sad commentaries on US TV: > > 1. There are way too many shows that are _Homeland/Scandal/House of Cards_ ripoffs. I’m reminded of the scene in _Network_ where Conchata Ferrell is pitching shows to Faye Dunaway and they are all basically the same (and similar to the latest hit shows of the era). That was 1976. > > 2. The dearth of interesting new network sitcoms. When was the last time an non-formulaic (_Community_ or _Louie_) sitcom of any value debuted? For 1, you can go back farther than 1976; wasn’t _The Addams Family_ pretty much pitched as competition to _The Munsters_? And it was around 1976 when ABC, NBC, and CBS all announced sitcoms set in college fraternities, based on the success of Animal House (in fact, ABC’s _was_ Animal House with John Belushi’s character “in the Army” - and if you don’t remember the CBS one, it was cancelled after the pilot aired). For 2, define “formulatic.” Somebody said _Brooklyn Nine-Nine_; that seems to fit the “workplace comedy” formula. (“But it’s also a cop show!” _Barney Miller_.) ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2014, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/47 "2014-10-01T22:20:22Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > For 1, you can go back farther than 1976; wasn’t _The Addams Family_ pretty much pitched as competition to _The Munsters_? I was all set to say “vice versa,” but it turns out they debuted the same month, Sept. 1964. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2014, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/48 "2014-10-02T15:25:54Z")
Ooops… I put the following post in the “First TV show to be canceled” thread, when it probably should have gone here: Lord almighty, I could not get through **How to Get Away With Murder** (just saw it). It doesn’t help that I went through law school and that was so utterly absurd and ridiculous that I couldn’t possibly suspend the disbelief far enough. Every part of the plot was just… no. Maybe if I was a doctor, I could deal with it… but its too much for this lawyer (and I enjoyed **Ally McBeal** and **Boston Legal** to indicate how bad the law was here). But it’s going to last at least through the season. The 2nd episode of **Black-ish** was lame. I really liked the first one and thought maybe they’d explore race with humor. This was just a generic family comedy episode - about the sex talk. If it continues on this path, it may be gone before I thought. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2014, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/49 "2014-10-03T14:55:20Z")
A to Z - Cristin Milioti is so durn cute. If she dies in this one, violence will unleash. I liked the hoverboard bit Brian ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2014, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/50 "2014-10-04T00:58:23Z")
I just watched _Bad Judge_. Definite potential there. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2014, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/51 "2014-10-04T21:47:45Z")
We just watched _Bad Judge_. Not sure about the potential. Definitely a difficult pilot to watch. It was a haphazard mess. Apparently the pilot had to have many changes made, reshoots, etc. Even the show runner was fired. Enough back stage messiness to suggest it isn’t going to get any better and won’t last. The bigamy case was ridiculous. From bail hearing to verdict issued in what, 2 days? Clearly not a plea deal situation. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/52 "2014-10-16T21:20:00Z")
Anyone else have a new show to chime on in? ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2014, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/53 "2014-11-01T14:38:51Z")
**The McCarthys** with Laurie Metcalf debuted the other night as part of CBS’s Thursday post-football comedy lineup. Ugggggh. Really horrible. I seriously wonder what the mental state of the network execs that let this mess get on the air. Clearly an _Everybody Loves Raymond_ clone. (And why that crap persisted so long is another wonder.) Generic sitcom, generic premise, terrible writing. Some quite poor acting and in the case of Joey McIntyre: no acting ability displayed at all! Only watched it due to the presence of Laurie Metcalf. She is a good actress, from _Uncle Buck_ to guesting on _The Big Bang Theory_. But now she has this plus _Getting On_ and several other craptastic sitcoms on her resume. The bad is outweighing the good. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/54 "2014-11-01T15:37:15Z")
So far, I’ve liked and am still watching: _Blackish_- good family sitcom. _Forever_- solid enough procedural with likable lead & supporting characters and actors _The Flash_- fun superhero show _Jane the Virgin_- my favorite new show of the year. It’s well written and well acted and very, very charming and often flat out hilarious. I love the characters. I love the narrator & the chyron guy . If you like TV soaps at all, you’ll like it. If you like single camera sitcoms, you should probably give it a try. I would never have though that two of the shows I’d like best would be on the CW. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2014, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/55 "2014-12-06T17:13:35Z")
Debuting this week was _Girlfriends’ Guide to Divorce_. Part of Bravo’s foray into scripted shows. (Like most of their crap is “unscripted”, right.) Dear Bravo execs (and others of that ilk). Here is how you drive people away from your channel: Run non-stop, annoying crap all over the screen promo-ing your other shows. Guaranteed to reduce ratings. Good grief it was awful. That didn’t just use the bottom half, they kept putting a hashtag up in the right corner. Anyway … Starring Lisa Edelstein, Paul Adelstein, Janeane Garofalo and some lesser folk. I can just see the brainstorming on this: “Imagine it: Edelstein - Adelstein as exes? Get it? Neat eh? Plus they both played doctors on long running series.” (Although Adelstein’s single appearance on _Scrubs_ is hardly notable.;)) The pilot had a brief appearance by Carrie Fisher for some strange reason. Just a standard crappy mishmash of the usual expected stuff. An author of “My life and family is great.” series of books is in a failing marriage. That’s a stillborn premise right there. From time to time it was just started to get interesting but then it veered off into lesser nonsense again. Also had too much of the music video rapid cutting and such. Large parts of the dialogue were hard to understand due to rapid mumbling and topic changing. It was like listening to stream of consciousness stuff, without the consciousness. Don’t bother watching it, it’s pretty bad. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221/56 "2014-12-08T17:17:24Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Dear Bravo execs (and others of that ilk). Here is how you drive people away from your channel: Run non-stop, annoying crap all over the screen promo-ing your other shows. Guaranteed to reduce ratings. Good grief it was awful. That didn’t just use the bottom half, they kept putting a hashtag up in the right corner. > > . I hate that shit. Several shows have gone on my “boycott list” due to that shit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-fall-network-tv-shows/698221.md?page=2)