# New Florida Senate bill would eliminate state Democratic Party **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512 "2023-02-28T22:34:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/21 "2023-03-01T01:55:35Z")
> [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > Who cares? > > This sort of thing is purely performative and I don’t see how it could have any real effects. Which makes it essentially the same as the whole “Democrat Party” thing. Which is to say, juvenile, pointless and intended to rile up morons. > > Any consumers of this sort of idiocy is already voting for Republicans, and anyone else shouldn’t care except to sigh and think, “Ah, thanks - yet another reason not to vote for these fools.” But it’s not the only thing Republicans are doing. One loud idiot puts forth an outlandish proposal like this and he draws all the public attention. Meanwhile a dozen other party operatives are quietly drafting and enacting legislation that will disenfranchise fifty thousand Democratic voters. And nobody will notice because they’re all watching the idiot and counting it as a victory when his proposal is defeated. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/22 "2023-03-01T02:21:11Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But it’s not the only thing Republicans are doing. > > One loud idiot puts forth an outlandish proposal like this and he draws all the public attention. Meanwhile a dozen other party operatives are quietly drafting and enacting legislation that will disenfranchise fifty thousand Democratic voters. And nobody will notice because they’re all watching the idiot and counting it as a victory when his proposal is defeated. Isn’t that all the more reason to ignore this kind of thing? I feel very comfortable giving this nonsense no attention, while focusing on the efforts that could actually work, like you’re describing. Maybe it’s good that the morons of the world occupy themselves with this kind of performative crap that can’t actually accomplish anything besides getting likes from people whose minds aren’t likely to be changed anyway. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/23 "2023-03-01T02:22:21Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Hey, do you have any idea of how hard it is to out-crazy your fellow wingnuts these days? I think a BBQ Pit thread about stupid shit proposed in local/state/us governments, like this steaming pile of shit, is a perfect use of the Pit. Why ignore stupid shit just because there is a large amount of it? We could make this the “omnibus stupid political ideas” thread. Wait, we already have that: > [@NEW Stupid Republican Idea of the Day (Part 2)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-2/959018): > > Continuing the discussion from [NEW Stupid Republican Idea of the Day (Part 1) - #10037 by running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-1/911140/10037). Previous discussions: [NEW Stupid Republican Idea of the Day (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day-part-1/911140) Maybe someday there will be enough stupid left perfomative bills to create the other side of that thread and make it truly omnibus. Until then, people will ask us not to bring up the crazies on the right. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/24 "2023-03-01T02:34:52Z")
> [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > Isn’t that all the more reason to ignore this kind of thing? No. It’s important to remind everyone of why they must oppose Republicans all of the time. Every time at the ballot box, and here’s another reason. And to borrow a phrase from my man Joe Biden: “That’s not hyperbole.” ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/25 "2023-03-01T02:42:39Z")
I got the feeling that some of the posters were suggesting this is a “both sides” problem and you should ignore it, which is why I posted right above you. I know there is a bit from both sides, but one side is heavily tilting that scale. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/26 "2023-03-01T02:47:58Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > No. It’s important to remind everyone of why they must oppose Republicans all of the time. Every time at the ballot box, and here’s another reason. And to borrow a phrase from my man Joe Biden: “That’s not hyperbole.” On the one hand, I take your point. On the other… I’ve said before I wish someone (activists, comedian maybe…) would normalize simply laughing at these people. Have a group show up at the county board meeting where one of these morons presents their nonsense and have the whole group burst into laughter. Not even unkindly. Just pointing and laughing to show it cannot be taken seriously. I think Mel Brooks might endorse this approach because he’s talked about how the one thing the Hitlers of the world absolutely cannot stand is being a laughing stock. I love to imagine people at presidential debates just roaring with mirth at the basic tenets of Republican belief. Maybe it could even shift the Overton Window. Show these idiots they aren’t to be taken seriously. That’s all the attention this kind of thing deserves. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/27 "2023-03-01T02:53:02Z")
> [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > Isn’t that all the more reason to ignore this kind of thing? I feel very comfortable giving this nonsense no attention, while focusing on the efforts that could actually work, like you’re describing. > > Maybe it’s good that the morons of the world occupy themselves with this kind of performative crap that can’t actually accomplish anything besides getting likes from people whose minds aren’t likely to be changed anyway. I don’t think we should ignore it. This guy is, after all, an elected official with real world power. But the way we should oppose things like this is by fighting for voting rights. We need to guarantee everybody’s right to vote so that people like Blaise Ingoglia don’t win rigged elections. After that, Ingoglia can froth at the mouth all he wants and we can safely ignore him. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/28 "2023-03-01T02:54:10Z")
At this point, Florida is the GOP’s beta test for imposing fascist rule on the rest of the country. If this passes, I fully expect to see other red states doing the same thing. By 2026 they’ll start finding excuses to jail people for running for office against them. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/29 "2023-03-01T03:10:44Z")
> [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > I’ve said before I wish someone (activists, comedian maybe…) would normalize simply laughing at these people. Have a group show up at the county board meeting where one of these morons presents their nonsense and have the whole group burst into laughter. This is not outright laughter on his part, but Jake Byrd is doing his best!. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/zfyEhAc7K_I/maxresdefault.jpg "Jake Byrd at Roy Moore Rally in Alabama") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfyEhAc7K_I) ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/30 "2023-03-01T03:33:06Z")
You are saying DNFTT in the middle of FTT campaign headquarters. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/31 "2023-03-01T13:05:24Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > > [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > > > Isn’t that all the more reason to ignore this kind of thing? > > No. It’s important to remind everyone of why they must oppose Republicans all of the time. Every time at the ballot box, and here’s another reason. And to borrow a phrase from my man Joe Biden: “That’s not hyperbole.” I like that one. If you want, you can also borrow _it’s a sin to vote for a Republican._ Because that’s also true. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/32 "2023-03-01T14:39:39Z")
This is why this cannot be ignored. Even though there’s little chance of it passing (this time), it doesn’t mean they won’t try again. And they’ll keep trying. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/33 "2023-03-01T14:51:17Z")
> [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > I’ve said before I wish someone (activists, comedian maybe…) would normalize simply laughing at these people. Have a group show up at the county board meeting where one of these morons presents their nonsense and have the whole group burst into laughter. One of my absolute favorite viral clips is this one of a guy laughing at MAGA protestors: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/sq37RClh4bY/maxresdefault.jpg "‘Green Shirt Guy’ Laughing Response To Sanctuary City Heckler Goes Viral | NBC News") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq37RClh4bY) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/34 "2023-03-01T16:03:27Z")
> [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > I’ve said before I wish someone (activists, comedian maybe…) would normalize simply laughing at these people. Have a group show up at the county board meeting where one of these morons presents their nonsense and have the whole group burst into laughter. Not even unkindly. Just pointing and laughing to show it cannot be taken seriously. I think that may be a good way to get yourself shot. I will agree with you that the _media_ shouldn’t spend much time focussed on this, it’s just fascists virtue signalling other fascists. But I disagree that _we_ should ignore it, as it is telling us what the fascists want and what they are trying to do. When will I stop discussing the fascist things that fascists do? When the fascists stop doing them. Until then, it is worthwhile to pay attention to their attempts at undermining our country. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/35 "2023-03-02T17:32:10Z")
The Whig Party is pretty nebulous on their view of slavery and I don’t know if it has every been part of their official platform. I’m curious how this would affect them. On a more serious note, IF this were to make a joke about extremist “Woke Culture” then it’s kind of funny. Problem is being Florida, I don’t think it is a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/36 "2023-03-02T18:36:26Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > This includes the removal of statues and memorials, and the renaming of buildings. Using this standard, it would be hypocritical not to cancel the Democrat Party itself for the same reason,” explained Sen. Ingoglia. So, obviously, he’s talking about the Confederate statues that are being removed here. I wonder, has he bothered to consider, most of the people depicted in those statues _were Democrats?_ We need a new campaign; “Why is Sen. Ingoglia defending the display of Democrat Party heroes at public expense? Why does he want statues of antifa groomers displayed in front of our courthouses and schools?!?” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/37 "2023-03-02T19:18:53Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I wonder, has he bothered to consider, most of the people depicted in those statues _were Democrats?_ Thats… actually a really good point. I wonder, once it is pointed out that these are statues to Democrats, the right will be clamoring to tear them down. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/38 "2023-03-02T19:19:48Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > > [@Horatius](#): > > > > I wonder, has he bothered to consider, most of the people depicted in those statues _were Democrats?_ > > Thats… actually a really good point. It is. > [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > I guess it escaped their notice that the people honored by those statues and buildings were mostly Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/39 "2023-03-02T19:28:19Z")
I’m just wondering what kind of knots they will tie themselves into in trying to explain that _these_ Democrats should be honored, praising those who worked to support and continue the practice of slavery, but current Democrats should be eliminated, because Democrats in the past had statues made of them for supporting the continued practice of slavery. Next time I hear someone bemoaning the loss of their culture and history because some statues were removed from in front of their courthouse, I really want to say, “You know, he was a Democrat.” just to see their reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512/40 "2023-03-02T19:34:04Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’m just wondering what kind of knots they will tie themselves into in trying to explain that _these_ Democrats should be honored, praising those who worked to support and continue the practice of slavery, but current Democrats should be eliminated, because Democrats in the past had statues made of them for supporting the continued practice of slavery. That’s missing the point though. They don’t argue that those are people that should be _honored_, they see it as trying to erase them from existence, scrub them from history entirely. I mean, it’s total bullshit. History books, records, and so on will still mention what they did. It’s just the statues showing them as heroes that are being removed. But their stance isn’t that the statues need to stay as ways to celebrate these historical figures, the argument is that we shouldn’t forget them. (Which, again, is bullshit.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-florida-senate-bill-would-eliminate-state-democratic-party/980512.md?page=3)