# New Hampshire Primary 02/09/16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 2, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965 "2016-02-02T17:22:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/201 "2016-02-10T22:11:16Z")
Vermin Supreme was on the D side, not the R side. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/202 "2016-02-10T22:15:54Z")
Unemployment isn’t the whole story of how the economy affects the “little guy”. As Brian Schweitzer once put it, “We don’t need more jobs. I know one lady who has three of them. What we need is _better_ jobs.”. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/203 "2016-02-11T00:18:18Z")
Highest median household income of all 50 states. Poverty rate half the national average. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/204 "2016-02-11T00:27:06Z")
> **[New Hampshire State Household Income | Department of Numbers](https://www.deptofnumbers.com/income/new-hampshire/)** > > The median household income for New Hampshire was $88,465 in 2021. 2022 median household income data will be released in December 2023. But real income average has gone down past 8 years, no?\* Maybe not by a lot. \*double checking: down from 8 years ago, up slightly this past year. Overall down $3500 from 2008. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/205 "2016-02-11T01:39:23Z")
So they’re literally the top 2% and are complaining that they aren’t as high as they used to be, even if they are higher than everyone else. Boo hoo. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/206 "2016-02-11T01:43:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Anyway, glad to see that Cruz beat Bush. That helps Kasich establish himself as THE current establishment frontrunner. What I see is that Cruz doing well helps Cruz. I’m worried that Cruz can actually win the general on evangelical turnout. After a friend of my mother decided not to support Ben Carson anymore and support Cruz instead–which, according to my mother, was on the theory that Seventh-Day Adventists are a “cult” 😕 and Cruz was a “Christian,” I started to realize that he’s trouble. He’s playing a variation on the politics of W Bush and Rick Goodhair Perry: He’ll tell superstitiously inclined heartland evangelicals that they don’t need government, just Jesus, lead some prayers in public places like an outwardly pious Pharisee, and ride that into power. > [@Chronos](#): > > I’m increasingly beginning to think that Cruz is going to be the nominee. > [snip] > the closest thing we’ve got to a compromise between the establishment and the outsiders: He is, after all, a sitting Senator, which really should be enough to make him be considered “establishment”. Indeed. I’m weirdly more scared of him than Herr Schickeltrumper, even though rationally I know Trump could be worse. > [@octopus](#): > > Man, there is such a small chance of a Kasich presidency I don’t know if there is a number that can represent it. I took math analysis. Yes, such numbers exist. I think Kasich and Christie would probably be merely bad Presidents, in different ways. Cruz would be seen as the AntiChrist by the left, and no doubt relish our hatred. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > If they’re not, they should feel they are doing pretty well, in relative terms. Shankar Vedantam, the social science correspondent on NPR, [says:](http://www.npr.org/2015/11/18/456459455/there-s-more-meaning-behind-wage-cuts-than-lost-pay) > > BTW, after that I heard another report on the NH economy: their poverty rate is barely over half the national average, 8% vs. 14%. So I’m just not seeing a lot for them to complain about. > > Speaking of spoiled Granite State voters [snip] You’re an odd one. Why do you think that voting-age (hence, able to remember pre-2008) Democratic primary voters (hence, people who probably think in ‘social conscience’ terms) would consider ‘the economy’ good if it’s worse than 20 years ago (which they or their parents would remember), and worse for them personally? Just knowing that someone else is worse off doesn’t mean as much as being worse off than you yourself used to be. And to call them “spoiled”‽ Wow, excuse us Yankees for living a higher lifestyle than East Germany c. 1982. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/207 "2016-02-11T01:57:04Z")
Americans are enjoying the highest standard of living of any major country, ever. Figures showing a higher inflation-adjusted median income a decade or two back don’t account for the advances in technology, health, entertainment (the TV renaissance) clean energy, etc. Worldwide, violence and hunger are at historically low levels, and education and other measures are up for the global poor. These are hard-fought progressive achievements, and it is to be expected that low information right wing voters would grouse. But to see liberals throw a tantrum about how everything sucks, is hard to stomach. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/208 "2016-02-11T02:04:17Z")
At the risk of being labelled a stealth braggart … My wife & I both have a good job with a good income. We also have a good net worth. I’m definitely not the fattest publicly-admitted cat on the SDMB. But I think I’m part of a fairly small circle here. And even though I’m pretty close to the top of both the income and asset percentile distributions nationally, over the last 10+ years I feel like I’m going backwards at ever-increasing speed. Every year I see the people not that far above me moving smartly upwards, and the folks above them zooming into the financial stratosphere. While meanwhile I’m watching the aspirational goods & services I want being priced out of my means by all those folks above me. If people at my level are feeling this way, I cannot imagine how badly folks farther down the food chain feel as they see folks like me slowly but steadily driving upwards away from them. In many less advanced countries, with Mexico or Brazil being convenient & familiar examples, it is normal that the vast majority of citizens feel trapped in the economic basement by an impenetrable ceiling that ensures substantially all of the value-add of the entire economy is captured by a tiny oligarchy which neither they nor their children can ever hope to join. Those countries have no history of political engagement by the folks below the ceiling. They’re also trapped below a political ceiling. In this country now we are taking a solid 50% of the populace that are politically above the participation ceiling and have been their whole life, and trying to stuff them and their children below the economic ceiling for good. It’s not likely they’ll all go quietly. Some significant political backlash is inevitable. Sanders and/or Trump may not be the first, or even the most successful, exemplars of the backlash. But I’m pretty sure they won’t be the last. America doesn’t have to work for 99% of us. But when it’s perceived as not working for 90+% of us, something’s going to get changed. And remember, I’m a card carrying leftist Progressive. And was long before the term became chic this year. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/209 "2016-02-11T02:21:59Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > So they’re literally the top 2% and are complaining that they aren’t as high as they used to be, even if they are higher than everyone else. Boo hoo. They’re complaining that they feel like they are going backwards. Why is that hard to understand? I see what you’re saying, they should still be pretty happy but that doesn’t mean it’s logical to vote for the status quo if you think it’s slowly sinking you. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/210 "2016-02-11T02:28:22Z")
It’s not hard to understand, just hard to respect. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/211 "2016-02-11T03:21:00Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > It’s not hard to understand, just hard to respect. Well obviously you can respect whatever you want. However, it’s one thing to expect well off Liberals/Progressives to accept a lower income for a better society. It’s another for them to accept it to see only the GDP and CEO salaries go up. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/212 "2016-02-11T04:00:26Z")
Good burn (Bern). Not being sarcastic–well played. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/213 "2016-02-11T04:15:23Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well obviously you can respect whatever you want. However, it’s one thing to expect well off Liberals/Progressives to accept a lower income for a better society. It’s another for them to accept it to see only the GDP and CEO salaries go up. Or Third world peoples, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/214 "2016-02-11T04:20:55Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > So they’re literally the top 2% and are complaining that they aren’t as high as they used to be, even if they are higher than everyone else. Boo hoo. We don’t actually know what they said; there is only one reporter’s vague summary. “Economy” might describe any number of concerns. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/215 "2016-02-11T04:31:32Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > He’s an authoritarian libertarian, like Pinochet. Or like the Chinese government? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/216 "2016-02-11T04:31:59Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > We don’t actually know what they said; there is only one reporter’s vague summary. “Economy” might describe any number of concerns. True. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/217 "2016-02-11T04:43:08Z")
Clinton wins New Hampshire: > **[After Crushing Defeat, DNC Quirk Still Gives Hillary More New Hampshire...](https://dailycaller.com/2016/02/10/hillary-earns-more-new-hampshire-delegates-than-sanders-after-loss/)** > > Though Bernie Sanders won the New Hampshire primary in a landslide over Hillary Clinton, he will likely receive fewer delegates than she will. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/218 "2016-02-11T05:51:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Clinton wins New Hampshire: > > [After Crushing Defeat, DNC Quirk Still Gives Hillary More New Hampshire Delegates Than Sanders | The Daily Caller](http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/10/hillary-earns-more-new-hampshire-delegates-than-sanders-after-loss/) Vote redistribution! Socialism in action. Sanders ought to appreciate the irony. ---
**Author:** ![Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e99b99/32.png) [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Einstein_was_a_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/219 "2016-02-11T06:26:14Z")
WTF is wrong with people? Can’t the RNC see the writing on the wall? Probably not, from the sound of things, most keyboard pundits don’t. People keep talking about Cruz, and Rubio, and Bush, and Kasich, as if any of these people truly has a snowball’s chance in this primary. It is baffling to me how people are in denial, and cannot see the writing on the wall. But hey! Let’s make some phone calls for Bush! Or maybe plant lawn signs for Cruz! Yeah, yeah, that’s it! And hey, don’t count Rubio out just yet, he may come back. Why, Bush, Cruz, and Rubio all tied in NH! So close, too, only 23% points behind the frontrunner! There’s still a chance! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/220 "2016-02-11T06:27:27Z")
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