# New Hampshire Primary 02/09/16

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [February 2, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965 "2016-02-02T17:22:03Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/101 "2016-02-10T02:55:47Z")

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The one thing you can say is that at least it’s not boring or predictable.

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/102 "2016-02-10T02:55:52Z")

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Poor Jim Gilmore. Among the candidates beating him? Vermin Supreme.

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**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/103 "2016-02-10T02:57:28Z")

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> [@Boyo\_Jim](#):
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> That’s hardly the point during the primaries. Can’t the same be said about every other Republican candidate?

That most people have voted against them, and none of them are assured of anything? Of course.

And that _is_ the point of primaries, to try to get to at least a binary, where people vote for A over B or B over A.

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**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/104 "2016-02-10T02:57:32Z")

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> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#):
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> Why are all the die hard GOPers ignoring the elephant in the room?

With one primary and one caucus in the bag Trump is 1-1. He’s nowhere close to being able to garner the support he needs to reliably think he’ll win enough delegates to get the nomination on the first vote (especially when you take unpledged delegates into account.) His only shot of getting the nomination with a plurality is winning a lot of winner take all states later. Even winning enough of them can be challenging unless he grows his support as the field continues to winnow. He hasn’t reliably grown his overall support as the early winnowing has happened or shown that he does well among second choice respondents in polls.

There is the real possibility of a contested convention unless something changes significantly. If that happens there is the real possibility of a convention that selects someone other than Trump even if he has a plurality of delegates. What THAT would do to the party is the real elephant in the room IMO.

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**Author:** ![Octarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/22d042/32.png) [@Octarine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octarine)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/105 "2016-02-10T02:58:09Z")

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Re the Trump speech: does anyone know if he actually has the rights to “Revolution”? It’s sort of an ironic choice - _But when you want money for people with minds that hate/All I can tell is brother you have to wait._

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**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/106 "2016-02-10T03:00:50Z")

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> [@Peremensoe](#):
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> I expect someone has already told him to look to SC as a better state for him. Plus, he thinks he’s on a mission. I won’t be surprised to see Fiorina and Christie fall out before he does.

Plus, he will be able to manage his wardrobe much better being closer to home.

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**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/107 "2016-02-10T03:16:09Z")

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What a relief it is that Rubio’s robotic debate gaffe did matter to voters. There was some talk that maybe it was just something that media pundit types were laughing about but that regular voters wouldn’t care about. And honestly, I found that possibility rather disturbing. So I definitely see this as reassuring.

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**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/108 "2016-02-10T03:17:29Z")

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Did any of you all watch Trump’s victory speech? Maybe my eyes are seeing incorrectly or the color in my TV is off, but he looked more orange than Boehner at his orangest.

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**Author:** ![Octarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/22d042/32.png) [@Octarine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octarine)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/109 "2016-02-10T03:19:00Z")

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Not to be a damp towel about Bernie, but I heard that he basically tied with Hillary among registered NH Democrats; the Independent vote is what gave him such a huge victory. If true, isn’t this a massive issue? Future primaries, as well as being less white and Vermont-y, will be closed.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/110 "2016-02-10T03:21:19Z")

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> [@Peremensoe](#):
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> Shouldn’t Fiorina go away soon?

[She’s not leaving yet:

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> 10 p.m.
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> She’s back in the pack among Republicans in New Hampshire, but the fight isn’t going out of Carly Fiorina.
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> The Republican presidential candidate tells supporters at a country club in Manchester that “I’m not going to sit down and be quiet, and neither are you.”
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> She’s taken the stage with her husband, Frank, by her side. And what’s playing in the background? “I Won’t Back Down,” by rocker Tom Petty.

]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_2016\_ELECTION\_THE\_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-02-09-22-01-46](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_2016_ELECTION_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-02-09-22-01-46))By the way, what the fuck is it with Republicans not respecting intellectual property rights? 😕

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**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/111 "2016-02-10T03:22:46Z")

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> [@FlikTheBlue](#):
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> Did any of you all watch Trump’s victory speech? Maybe my eyes are seeing incorrectly or the color in my TV is off, but he looked more orange than Boehner at his orangest.

I watched as much as I could stomach, but yeah, very Boehner-hued.

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/112 "2016-02-10T03:23:36Z")

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> [@Octarine](#):
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> Not to be a damp towel about Bernie, but I heard that he basically tied with Hillary among registered NH Democrats; the Independent vote is what gave him such a huge victory. If true, isn’t this a massive issue? Future primaries, as well as being less white and Vermont-y, will be closed.

Bernie has an uphill battle ahead of him, no doubt. But there’s nothing like the Big MO, and he’s got it.

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**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/113 "2016-02-10T03:25:56Z")

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> [@SlackerInc](#):
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> What a relief it is that Rubio’s robotic debate gaffe did matter to voters. There was some talk that maybe it was just something that media pundit types were laughing about but that regular voters wouldn’t care about. And honestly, I found that possibility rather disturbing. So I definitely see this as reassuring.

Agreed on all counts.

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/114 "2016-02-10T03:30:02Z")

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> [@FlikTheBlue](#):
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> Did any of you all watch Trump’s victory speech? Maybe my eyes are seeing incorrectly or the color in my TV is off, but he looked more orange than Boehner at his orangest.

And Rubio looked green! Maybe it was just the light.

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/115 "2016-02-10T03:31:38Z")

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65% reporting, Sanders now at 59.5%,

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**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/116 "2016-02-10T03:32:06Z")

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Who the hell is Jim Gilmore? Where’d he come from? Has he been up there on teh Pubbie stage all along? Did he just sneak his name on to the ballot when no one was looking? Is he really Bobby Jindal in a rubber Old Man Gilmore Mask? Is he a Dream in the Hearts of Children, everywhere? Am I, Jim Gilmore, and I just don’t know it yet? Maybe _you’re_ Jim Gilmore. You don’t know. It could happen. Have you checked?

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**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/117 "2016-02-10T03:32:35Z")

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> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> Poor Jim Gilmore. Among the candidates beating him? Vermin Supreme.

As it should be.

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**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/118 "2016-02-10T03:41:11Z")

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CNN just announced that Christie is cancelling all his South Carolina events and going home to New Jersey to think things over. It sounds like he’s going to be the next one to drop out.

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**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/119 "2016-02-10T03:47:07Z")

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> [@FlikTheBlue](#):
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> CNN just announced that Christie is cancelling all his South Carolina events and going home to New Jersey to think things over. It sounds like he’s going to be the next one to drop out.

Not surprising. He really doesn’t have a viable way forward and he is smart enough to realize it.

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hampshire-primary-02-09-16/744965/120 "2016-02-10T03:50:51Z")

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> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Bernie has an uphill battle ahead of him, no doubt. But there’s nothing like the Big MO, and he’s got it.

Michelle Obama?

As for the closed primary thing: were I living in New Hampshire, I’d register as an Independent. Were I living in a state with a closed primary, I’d register as a Democrat. I suspect a significant number of folks like me know which kind of state they live in and register accordingly; I don’t think a lot of independents who support Sanders are going to say, “D’oh!” as they realize they can’t vote for him.

Not to say it’s not somewhat of an issue; maybe there are a lot more independently-minded folks in NH than elsewhere. But I don’t think a trick of the ballot is going to keep a lot of people away who’d otherwise vote for Sanders.

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