# New Honda CR-X, er, um, CR-Z **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 13, 2007, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549 "2007-10-13T02:10:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/1 "2007-10-13T02:10:49Z")
Doggone it, they went and [uglified](http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/210790/honda_crz.html) the poor thing. ::sigh:: I drove a 1985 CR-X back in the day, it was sweet! ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/2 "2007-10-13T03:00:59Z")
I dunno, I like it. Just kidding. Fuck new car design - I hate it all. I wish car design (DESIGN - not engineering) was stuck in 1969. ---
**Author:** ![LVgeogeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b19c9b/32.png) [@LVgeogeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LVgeogeek)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/3 "2007-10-13T06:08:23Z")
It looks like a [Dust-Buster](http://sweb.uky.edu/~btsmit2/dustbuster.jpg) with wheels. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Jinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Jinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jinx)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/4 "2007-10-13T09:04:06Z")
Older CR-V onwer here! I have one word on the matter. What the was Honda thinking? :smack: Those SOBs have gotten to big for their britches! Do you know Honda even forced my local dealer to go away? He had a small lot that no longer met their requirements, and he could not expand. Now heā€™s selling Suzukis. What the heck is that? Can you name one Suzuki model? And, I think they offer like 2 colors!?!?!? (What has happened to car colors, anyway? We can colorize movies, but not cars?) Amd, that thing Honda calls a Fit? It gives me a fit, all right! What a joke of a name! What is happening to Honda? There! Thatā€™s my one word! From my soap box, - Jinx P.S. Yeah, letā€™s bring back the muscle cars of the 1960-1970ā€™s! Now, thereā€™s a car! When Yankee ingenuity meant something. Now, it simply means youā€™re gonna get _yanked_ around by the collar! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Jinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Jinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jinx)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/5 "2007-10-13T09:06:49Z")
Letā€™s all start a complaint compaign! And, tell Honda what you think! > **[Customer Service & Car Owner Information | Honda](https://automobiles.honda.com/information/customer-relations?source=http%3a%2f%2fautomobiles.honda.com%2finformation%2fcustomer-relations.aspx&statusCode=301)** > > Contact Honda Customer Service by phone number, fax, Twitter, or mail. Find information for Honda car owners like financial services and care plans. (Their ideas are turning into trash!) ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/6 "2007-10-13T09:48:12Z")
[QUOTE=Jinx] P.S. Yeah, letā€™s bring back the muscle cars of the 1960-1970ā€™s! Now, thereā€™s a car! When Yankee ingenuity meant something. Now, it simply means youā€™re gonna get _yanked_ around by the collar! šŸ˜ƒ [/QUOTE] Not just the muscle cars, but the often-forgotten-about trucks and 4x4s of that period - classic Broncos, Blazers, International Scouts and Travelalls, the Jeep Grand Wagoneer, and although it wasnā€™t American, the ever-reliable Toyota Land Cruiser. And from Europe, those classy Mercedes, BMW and Volvo sedans with sumptuous leather interiors and high roofs. All with straight, clean, simple lines (and the trucks and 4x4s were rugged, boxy, and practical, not like the absurd, curvy monstrosities like the Nissan Titan and the new Chevy Silverado. I dearly miss the days when all vehicles didnā€™t look like fucking jellybeans. ---
**Author:** ![Jinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Jinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jinx)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/7 "2007-10-13T10:08:22Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] ā€¦I dearly miss the days when all vehicles didnā€™t look like fucking jellybeans. [/QUOTE] Hey! I want my next car to look like the WeenieMobile! Instead of airbags, can I get chili and extra onions?? ---
**Author:** ![Jinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Jinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jinx)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/8 "2007-10-13T10:13:44Z")
I have heard whatā€™s happening is that all of our creature comforts, like power seats, have made cars so much heavier, that the aerodynamic look does help to trim weight off the carā€¦to meet gas mileage requirements, and such. Speaking of which, I saw the ugliest thing ever allowed on the road. It was a pick-up truck with a cover over the top of the bed (whatever they call those - but, not a cap) with huge fins on the sides! Ok, that was nice in its day, but for a modern pick-up? Cā€™mon! I bet he gets his salsa from NYC, too! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/9 "2007-10-13T11:37:43Z")
[QUOTE=LVgeogeek] It looks like a [Dust-Buster](http://sweb.uky.edu/~btsmit2/dustbuster.jpg) with wheels. šŸ˜ƒ [/QUOTE] šŸ˜› I was thinking it looked like a bj doll. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/10 "2007-10-13T11:58:19Z")
That thing look like an Edsel built for the 21st. century. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/11 "2007-10-13T11:58:48Z")
I LOVED my CR-X. It was an 89 and it ran forever. Unfortunately it had a disagreement with a deer. I will check it out. It may not be as ugly IRL. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/12 "2007-10-13T14:36:04Z")
[QUOTE=Jinx] Older CR-V onwer here! I have one word on the matter. What the was Honda thinking? [/QUOTE] No shit. I waited an extra year to trade in so I could buy the new model CR-V. There was all this stupid secrecy surrounding the new design, and they had a huge promotion for the unveiling. Damn thing looks like a cockroach. The exterior was bad enough, but the interior finishes were just downright cheap. Hard plastic edges and no attempt to justify the pricetag. Then, when I started looking at the Acura RDX, they offered me below low book on my 3-year old CR-V that was in perfect condition with very low miles. I bought a Chrysler. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2007, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/13 "2007-10-13T14:42:23Z")
Thatā€™s just a concept car. Unbunch panties, people. (I actually like it, a bit.) ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2007, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/14 "2007-10-14T00:42:28Z")
My first car was a 1990 Honda CRX. I drove it until the muffler fell off and the AC stopped working (car maintenance is not one of my strong suits). ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2007, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/15 "2007-10-14T03:20:47Z")
It looks like the younger brother of a Bugatti Veyron, and is just as ugly. ---
**Author:** ![Shecky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@Shecky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shecky)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2007, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/16 "2007-10-15T11:26:02Z")
Ah, memories of my first car! 1985 was a very good year. damn near 200K miles before a shoddy repair from a shitty mechanic locked it all up. The CRZ is justā€¦ WTF?! And, no longer just a 2 seater? That sucks. Iā€™ll have to go for the pontiac 2 seater now. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2007, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/17 "2007-10-15T12:25:38Z")
[QUOTE=Shecky] Ah, memories of my first car! 1985 was a very good year. damn near 200K miles before a shoddy repair from a shitty mechanic locked it all up. The CRZ is justā€¦ WTF?! And, no longer just a 2 seater? That sucks. Iā€™ll have to go for the pontiac 2 seater now. [/QUOTE] A coworker keeps telling me that 2 seaters are harder to insure, so car companies often put in a token back seat. (My Acura for instance has a back seat that could really only be described as a glorified grocery shelf.) Does anyone know if that is true? ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2007, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/18 "2007-10-15T14:55:56Z")
[QUOTE=Jinx] Cā€™mon! I bet he gets his salsa from NYC, too! šŸ˜ƒ [/QUOTE] NEW YORK CITY?!??!?!? ā€“ **gigi** , indoctrinated by Pace ---
**Author:** ![Lionne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Lionne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lionne)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2007, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/19 "2007-10-15T15:28:34Z")
I like almost all of it, except the nose. Sticks out too much. How is that streamlined? ---
**Author:** ![anamnesis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb8c5e/32.png) [@anamnesis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anamnesis)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2007, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549/20 "2007-10-15T17:31:20Z")
I recently participated in an unofficial contest to design a modern successor to the CRX. The contest was held a few weeks prior to any announcement that Honda was even working on such a concept, so it was an interesting coincidence when they actually announced one. I wanted to ensure the design traits of the original were inclusive to my design. I didnā€™t want it to be overly progressive and swoopy like the CRZ. The wraparound black door moulding and the rear pillar configuration were very important to me in defining the profile, but I overlooked one very critical aspect in my design: the CRXā€™s lack of a grille. It had a flat nose, but grille design is so commonplace today as a brand-identifying characteristic that I decided to include one in my sketches. I think it wouldā€™ve been better left off. I never rendered my sketches into a full illustration, but had I done so, Iā€™d have removed the grille to make the association with the original much clearer. My sketches are viewable [here](http://www2.lettvindevelopment.com/upload/wysiwyg/martin/Honda%20CRX%202017%20Final.jpg). I did a few different iterations of the design, and I think theyā€™re all more loyal to the idea of the CRX as a subcompact than this new CRZ Concept is. Not a bad little concept, but it looks too big to follow in the footsteps of the original, and aside from the ā€œblack outā€ rear end treatment, it really doesnā€™t borrow a single design cue from the original. Were it not for the Honda badges, Iā€™d have figured it for a small European Ford hatch (it has a resemblance to the Mondeo), or even a new Nissan. Honda should embrace the design heritage of the CRX more faithfully. The best example of this to date, in my opinion, is the new Camaro; a wonderful example for reinterpreting classic design traits into a modern design idiom. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-honda-cr-x-er-um-cr-z/422549.md?page=2)