# New Hulk: the worlds most expensive... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 12, 2008, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669 "2008-06-12T10:26:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/1 "2008-06-12T10:26:28Z")
Its not a sequel. Its not a prequel. Its not a mid-quel. Its not a reimagining nor a remake cause its just way to soon to call it either of those. It is, by all intents, a nine-figure, um, _ **do-over!** _ Like there was a car coming or something. Amazing what fanboys can make happen in this day & age… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/2 "2008-06-12T13:22:34Z")
I couldn’t name one, but I understand that there have been movies that got as far as the test audience stage, which were so poorly received that the producers basically scrapped what they had and started over. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/3 "2008-06-12T13:29:08Z")
The term I just saw used to describe the new movie is _requel_. That is a sequel that reboots its source material. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/4 "2008-06-12T13:42:35Z")
**Batman Begins** was a pretty successful do-over. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/5 "2008-06-12T16:36:59Z")
the Exorcist prequel had a do-over as well. Based on the trailers I’ve see, I’m betting that the Hulk movie will fare just as well as **that** do-over did (i.e. - a huge resounding flop in every way, shape or form.) ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/6 "2008-06-12T16:45:37Z")
From my understanding, the storyline does essentially pick up where the last one left off. The only thing is that nobody involved in the first is associated with the second. So it’s like a bastard sequel. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/7 "2008-06-12T16:55:25Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] From my understanding, the storyline does essentially pick up where the last one left off. The only thing is that nobody involved in the first is associated with the second. So it’s like a bastard sequel. [/QUOTE] I’ve heard they re-do part of the origin story through flashbacks as well, so its at least a partial re-boot. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/8 "2008-06-12T16:56:40Z")
[QUOTE=The New and Improved Superman] the Exorcist prequel had a do-over as well. Based on the trailers I’ve see, I’m betting that the Hulk movie will fare just as well as **that** do-over did (i.e. - a huge resounding flop in every way, shape or form.) [/QUOTE] I think that Exorcist prequel thing needs it own the special term. The do-over wasn’t even really a do-over since it came out before the original attempt and used footage from the original attempt. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/9 "2008-06-12T17:02:00Z")
Evil Dead 2 was one of the first do-overs. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/10 "2008-06-12T17:36:51Z")
[QUOTE=Simplicio] I’ve heard they re-do part of the origin story through flashbacks as well, so its at least a partial re-boot. [/QUOTE] I thought it was just seen in the opening credits. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/11 "2008-06-12T17:56:25Z")
[QUOTE=wolfman] Evil Dead 2 was one of the first do-overs. [/QUOTE] No, it wasn’t. I can’t believe there are still Evil Dead fans in 2008 that believe this. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/12 "2008-06-12T22:08:43Z")
[QUOTE=Lumpy] I couldn’t name one, but I understand that there have been movies that got as far as the test audience stage, which were so poorly received that the producers basically scrapped what they had and started over. [/QUOTE] Well, there was [the 1994 _Fantastic Four_](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109770/trivia) movie that was made despite the fact that it was never intended to be seen at all. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/13 "2008-06-12T22:56:10Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] No, it wasn’t. I can’t believe there are still Evil Dead fans in 2008 that believe this. [/QUOTE] Guh? Casual fan here (though our cat’s name is ‘Ash…Housewares’), and never paid it much mind. ISTR they tied it in as him returning or some such, but don’t remember specifics. The way you said that implies there’s some obvious revelation or trivia I missed … I’d love to hear! RE: Hulk… missed the first one, going to catch the new one in a bit … at a drive-in double feature with the new Indy movie. Moving out to the sticks has it’s benefits! ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2008, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/14 "2008-06-12T23:05:25Z")
Ah, Wiki is your [friend](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Evil_Dead_II): > [@Wiki](#): > > Believed Remake > Evil Dead II was believed to be a remake of the first movie but was never intended to be. For legal reasons, Sam Raimi was unable to obtain permission to use footage from the first movie in order to make a recap at the beginning that would let the audience know what had happened in the first movie. To work around this problem, he re-shot some key scenes from the first, but with a simplified plot. For example, the recap was streamlined to show only Ash and his girlfriend (now played by a different actress) going to the cabin in the woods, instead of going with their friends as well. Approximately 7 minutes into Evil Dead II, the final scene from The Evil Dead plays again (Ash standing outside the cabin alone, turning around when a spirit is approaching him) and the story of Evil Dead II begins.(Raimi,DVD commentary) Never thought of it as a full-on remake, kind of bought into the compressed storytelling or some such. Now I have something to believe and debunk all at once! Hail to the King~ ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/15 "2008-06-13T10:11:06Z")
I finished seeing the special post-midnight showing of this about an hour ago. It was pretty good, overall. The tie-in to the upcoming storylines that interconnects with the other Marvel movies was probably the bit that made me most sit up in my seat though. I thought that the camera angles, animation, and sound effects never quite hit it with making it seem like he was incredibly powerful and amazing. Ang Lee’s Hulk did better in that regard with the scene in the sand dunes. They also failed at a couple other styles of direction, like where the Hulk is in shadows and is preying on people. They could have easily played up the Cloverfield-like aspects. Another key scene they messed up is one where Betty is sitting on top of the Hulk’s chest (with the Hulk off-camera), they could have easily put her on top of something raising and lowering so that you got the sense that she was on top of something really big and _breathing_ but nope. There were lots of little things like that where they just failed to tie the CGI character in with the real world. William Hurt never seemed to figure out how to play his character. He just kind of sat there and read his lines off of the teleprompter. His hair looked really fake as well (which it probably was, of course.) Liv Tyler looks the least hot she’s ever looked in a movie. ☹ Besides those three items, it was decently good. I would watch it again. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/16 "2008-06-13T13:52:53Z")
I’m not in any way a fanboy, but – what do tv and movie producers have against the Hulk talking? ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/17 "2008-06-13T14:09:25Z")
Is Stan Lee a ‘fanboy’? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/18 "2008-06-13T18:37:24Z")
[QUOTE=Baldwin] I’m not in any way a fanboy, but – what do tv and movie producers have against the Hulk talking? [/QUOTE] Possibilities: 1. They think the “caveman-speak” associated with this particular Hulk would sound silly. 2. The (live action) TV series one never spoke, so they’re going with that. 3. Hi, Opal! (My first!) ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/19 "2008-06-13T20:03:59Z")
You know, I just don’t think The Hulk translates very well to the big screen. I can’t put my finger on why, but to me the Hulk just looks too fake, no matter how good the CGI is. It’s almost too literal in taking a comic book character and putting him in the real world, almost like _Roger Rabbit_ ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2008, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-hulk-the-worlds-most-expensive/452669/20 "2008-06-13T20:31:33Z")
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