# New Iraqi PM a murderer? Do we start bombing again? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2004, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-iraqi-pm-a-murderer-do-we-start-bombing-again/255486 "2004-07-16T21:15:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2004, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-iraqi-pm-a-murderer-do-we-start-bombing-again/255486/1 "2004-07-16T21:15:30Z")
I’m not sure where to post this. It’s not mindless, nor is it yet debatable. I’m sure it will elicit opinions, but not polite ones. So in the pit [it goes.](http://truthout.org/docs_04/071704Z.shtml) If true, we are again supporting a murdering thug in the finest traditions of Noriega and others. I guess we won’t have to bomb the entire country to get rid of him; maybe just a city block will suffice. Or a quietly arranged assassination of him and several dozen of his closest friends. It’s all just too depressing for a Friday. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2004, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-iraqi-pm-a-murderer-do-we-start-bombing-again/255486/2 "2004-07-16T21:32:16Z")
Yeah, I was not too thrilled to see one of his first pronouncements include the word “annihlate”. Apparently he was interviewed for his position by the same people who did the Abu Gharib hiring. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2004, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-iraqi-pm-a-murderer-do-we-start-bombing-again/255486/3 "2004-07-17T01:20:52Z")
“If we attempted to refute each [rumour], we would have no time for other business. As far as this embassy’s press office is concerned, this case is closed.” – [Ambassador John Negroponte](http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/16/1089694568757.html?oneclick=true) The non-denial denial strikes again. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2004, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-iraqi-pm-a-murderer-do-we-start-bombing-again/255486/4 "2004-07-17T01:27:30Z")
Doesn’t the CIA or U.S gov learn anything from appointin leaders like Allawi, eventually they’ll create more shit than they’re worth. Whats wrong with installing actual democracy? Jeesus. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-iraqi-pm-a-murderer-do-we-start-bombing-again/255486/5 "2004-07-17T02:23:05Z")
Apparently it’s coming. From the [Telegraph](http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/24/wirq24.xml) > [@](#): > > Iraqi prime minister wants to bring elections forward > By Jack Fairweather in Baghdad > (Filed: 24/06/2004) > > Iraq’s elections should be brought forward by several months, the country’s interim prime minister told The Telegraph yesterday. > > Dr Iyad Allawi said the vote should be held by the end of the year, or even earlier. “We are working on a framework of six months,” he said. > > Iyad Allawi: working on a ‘framework of six months’ > > “Personally, I would bring the election date sooner. That depends on the situation we find ourselves in.” > > Dr Allawi, a neurosurgeon who developed links to MI6 and the CIA during his years in exile, will officially take charge of Iraq from July 1. > > According to the US timetable, elections are not scheduled until January, when a national assembly will be voted in and a government selected from its members. Unless you have a magic wand to make a multi-party federated Iraq simply appear out of thin air you’re stuck with either an American or UN appointed executive until those elections happen. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2004, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-iraqi-pm-a-murderer-do-we-start-bombing-again/255486/6 "2004-07-17T04:26:17Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Whats wrong with installing actual democracy? The inevitable outcome, of course. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2004, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-iraqi-pm-a-murderer-do-we-start-bombing-again/255486/7 "2004-07-17T05:06:01Z")
Given how may stories coming out of Iraq that seemed credible with witnesses etc, but turned out to be abject BS later on, I’m going to reserve judgment on this one until some confirmation occurs. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2004, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-iraqi-pm-a-murderer-do-we-start-bombing-again/255486/8 "2004-07-17T05:13:05Z")
Which one? I can easily see about six mutually exclusive outcomes that, looking back, will probably be seen as “inevitable”. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2004, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-iraqi-pm-a-murderer-do-we-start-bombing-again/255486/9 "2004-07-17T07:12:49Z")
**Minty** is probably referring to the one where the people of Iraq elect a leader who tells the US to butt out and nationalizes the oil wells, and then George W. Bush or his neocon successor suddenly has an urge to “liberate” the nation once more… ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2004, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-iraqi-pm-a-murderer-do-we-start-bombing-again/255486/10 "2004-07-17T13:58:29Z")
Actually, I was speaking of the inevitable outcome of a fundamentalist Shiite government and civil war. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2004, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-iraqi-pm-a-murderer-do-we-start-bombing-again/255486/11 "2004-07-17T14:08:34Z")
> [@minty green](#): > > Actually, I was speaking of the inevitable outcome of a fundamentalist Shiite government and civil war. **elucidator** ’s answer was more sensible. “Inevitability” is not so cut and dried. You have, for example, assumed that Diebold will not be involved. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Atticus\_Finch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2004, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-iraqi-pm-a-murderer-do-we-start-bombing-again/255486/12 "2004-07-18T06:52:33Z")
You know, it really doesn’t matter whether or not Allawi actually killed those people (though Paul McGeough is a reliable journalist, and the two best newspapers in Australia wouldn’t make this page 1 news unless they were sure of what they were doing), what matters is the Iraqi public’s perception of what happened. So now, he looks to them to be not just a CIA stooge, but a murderous CIA stooge. He’ll have trouble holding on to power for even the 6 months they’re currently contemplating…