# New-ish "free speech" app, Parler **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109 "2020-11-09T03:40:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/201 "2021-01-09T06:52:58Z")
Considering that Google and Apple’s demands are basically “we’re not going to sell your app when people are using it to promote both violent speech and violent actions because we don’t want to get sued”, yeah, it’s a common sense thing. Oh and since the Trump up until days ago was/is holding up government budgets because he wants absolute freedom to lie his head off on social media without the platforms fact checking him . . . but god forbid someone say anything un-nice about _him_ on social media they should be terminated immediately. So yeah, the increasingly unhinged element of the Trump and his acolytes are oblivious to the content of the First Amendment, as well as hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/202 "2021-01-09T14:06:06Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > Considering that Google and Apple’s demands are basically “we’re not going to sell your app when people are using it to promote both violent speech and violent actions because we don’t want to get sued” And of course this will be the death of Parler, because you can’t reach a market without the app store presence and their target audience won’t care for them if it isn’t a place where they are free to promote violent action. Win-win. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/203 "2021-01-09T14:33:47Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I just saw (on FB, believe it or nuts) that all true Trump supporters are supposed to delete their FB pages on 1/2 when Biden is sworn in. (Aubrey Plaza voice) No. Please. Don’t go. (/Aubrey Plaza voice) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/204 "2021-01-09T14:49:09Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > And of course this will be the death of Parler, because you can’t reach a market without the app store presence and their target audience won’t care for them if it isn’t a place where they are free to promote violent action. > > Win-win. You don’t need an app to use parler (or twitter for that matter). Just navigate your device’s browser to the website. And of course you can save that link as an icon on your “desktop” making the end user experience all but indistinguishable from a true app. If there is any function gaps between the website version and the app store version, rest assured the provider will close those gaps ASAP once the app stores cut them off. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/205 "2021-01-09T15:06:36Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > And of course this will be the death of Parler, because you can’t reach a market without the app store presence and their target audience won’t care for them if it isn’t a place where they are free to promote violent action. > > > > Win-win. > > You don’t need an app to use parler (or twitter for that matter). While true, there is a reason why sites make apps–it gets them more users. It’s also harder to adblock an app than a website. And a website is less performant than a native app, cutting down on things they may have wanted to provide in the app. I mean, have you played a video using your mobile browser instead of a dedicated app? I’m always running into problems with that. I’d also expect that Parler’s audience would be more likely to have cheaper devices, possibly using more pay-as-you-go plans. In short, it may not shut them down entirely, but it is still a huge blow to not be in any Appstore. I’d be more concerned about how you can get apps from elsewhere on Android. And, once installed, you can make it update itself. I’d expect using that app to be more popular than using the website on your phone. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/206 "2021-01-09T15:24:00Z")
The funny thing I have found about Parler is the users who use it are all wacky conspiracy theorists but there are levels to it. For example someone writing about how Trump would stay in office because those contested states would scrap their results and hold another election without mail in ballots would look at someone writing about a military coup and think “_gee what are you smoking_” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/207 "2021-01-09T17:24:56Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > If there is any function gaps between the website version and the app store version, rest assured the provider will close those gaps ASAP once the app stores cut them off. I am reading sdmb on the Discourse app right now (and posting in it). It is absolutely nothing more than a wrapper for a NSWebView object – a web browser inside an app. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/208 "2021-01-09T20:22:40Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Just navigate your device’s browser to the website. Yes, I was wondering about that so I experimented with just searching on the standard “.com” URL for “parler”, and went there no problem. There was a big honking link that I could have clicked on to sign up for an account, had I so chosen. No difficulty at all. > [@BigT](#): > > In short, it may not shut them down entirely, but it is still a huge blow to not be in any Appstore. Okay. I admit I’d like to see a Venn diagram of (1) the group of conservatives who were howling in outrage over the so-called “Obamaphone program” (in reality, a much older federal program for subsidizing discounts on communications subscriptions for low-income subscribers) and arguing that anybody too poor to afford their own phone or phone plan should just do without one; and (2) the group of conservatives now howling in outrage over the intolerable imposition of having to use a browser instead of a dedicated app to access their bigotry-and-violence-friendly social-media accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/209 "2021-01-09T20:43:59Z")
Venn diagram or just one circle? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/210 "2021-01-09T20:57:42Z")
I’d use Gene Wilder as _Willy Wonka_ instead, but yeah. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/211 "2021-01-10T01:31:58Z")
Free speech on Parler just ended. They’ve taken down posts from Lin Wood. Apparently calling for the Vice-President to be executed by firing squad is just a bit too much free speech for Parler. CENSORSHIP!!! > **[Parler reportedly removed posts by Trump affiliate Lin Wood calling for...](https://techcrunch.com/2021/01/09/parler-reportedly-removed-posts-by-trump-affiliate-lin-wood-calling-for-execution-of-vp-mike-pence/)** > > It seems that even the “free speech” social network Parler has its limits. The social network that has attracted scores of conservative commentators because of its commitment to free speech has taken down several posts from Trump affiliate Lin Wood,... ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/212 "2021-01-10T03:26:14Z")
Adding to Parler’s woes… > **[Amazon cuts off Parler’s Web hosting following Apple, Google bans](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/amazon-cuts-off-parlers-web-hosting-following-apple-google-bans/)** > > The app will need to find new Web hosting by Sunday or go offline. The only downside to all this is that a large number of GOP Congresscritters are likely to use all of this as evidence that the ‘libs’ are keeping down the ‘honest conservative.’ Since the last few years have pretty much proven that the latter are nearly extinct, I play the world’s smallest violin. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/213 "2021-01-10T03:36:04Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Free speech on Parler just ended. > > They’ve taken down posts from Lin Wood. > > Apparently calling for the Vice-President to be executed by firing squad is just a bit too much free speech for Parler. - Side (rhetorical) question. If any of us made a public call for Pence(or Trump, Cruz, the usual gang of GOP slimeballs) to be summarily executed, wouldn’t we receive a very unpleasant visit by men in suits with guns? Why is this fucker exempt? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/214 "2021-01-10T03:40:31Z")
1st Amendment: > **[Brandenburg v. Ohio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), is a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court interpreting the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Court held that the government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action".: 702  Specifically, the Court struck down Ohio's criminal syndicalism statute, because that s... Has to meet the dual test of “inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and is likely to incite or produce such action.” Would a post on the internet meet that test? That test is more likely aimed at a speaker who directly calls on his followers to do something violent right away and they go off and do it right away … but how often does that ever happen? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/215 "2021-01-10T03:47:36Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > evidence that the ‘libs’ are keeping down the ‘honest conservative.’ That would be the “honest conservative” who is encouraging people to actually hang the Vice President, right? ---
**Author:** ![Olfatbut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a183cd/32.png) [@Olfatbut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olfatbut)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/216 "2021-01-10T03:47:42Z")
That will slow them down a little. Even Stormfront was able to find hosting after a month with no ISP though so not necessarily fatal for Parler. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/217 "2021-01-10T03:57:07Z")
Umm, well, if you said they _should_ be hanged, maybe Ok. If you propose gathering up a group to actually do so- that’s a big bozo nono. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/218 "2021-01-10T04:13:18Z")
Worth re-upping this… [![](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png) ](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png) ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/219 "2021-01-10T06:50:23Z")
Parler is now an ex-app. It’s shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain, and gone to join the bleeding choir invisible! > **[Amazon Is Booting Parler Off Of Its Web Hosting Service](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-parler-aws)** > > Amazon's suspension of Parler's account means that unless it can find another host, once the ban takes effect on Sunday Parler will go offline. They can find a new host, but without an app store willing to host a new version of the app, they’re effectively finished. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/220 "2021-01-10T08:12:46Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > That test is more likely aimed at a speaker who directly calls on his followers to do something violent right away and they go off and do it right away … **but how often does that ever happen?** Just recently, actually. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109.md?page=12)