# New-ish "free speech" app, Parler **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109 "2020-11-09T03:40:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/141 "2020-12-05T00:43:04Z")
'Girl-girl porn where one of the girls is trans of course …‘cause I’m no pervert!’ Parler User 1054 from Kentucky ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/142 "2020-12-05T03:15:30Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > And you know darned well that the ones who squawk loudest about homosexuality are big connoisseurs of girl-girl porn. from [Psychology Today](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-are-aroused-gay-male-porn), > [@](#): > > … These men were then shown three four-minute videos. One video depicted heterosexual sex, one depicted lesbian sex, and one depicted gay male sex. While this was happening, a device was attached to each participant’s penis. This [device](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_plethysmograph) has been found to be triggered by sexual arousal … > > When viewing lesbian sex and straight sex, both the homophobic and the non-homophobic men showed increased penis circumference. For gay male sex, however, only the homophobic men showed heightened penis arousal. Heterosexual men with the most anti-gay attitudes, when asked, reported not being sexually aroused by gay male sex videos. But their penises reported otherwise. One might infer that extreme homophobia is a response to experiencing sexual feelings that a person has been taught they are not supposed to have. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/143 "2020-12-05T09:11:48Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > One might infer that extreme homophobia is a response to experiencing sexual feelings that a person has been taught they are not supposed to have. Yeah, I’ve never liked that theory. It implies that straight man can’t be homophobes. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2020, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/144 "2020-12-05T14:57:25Z")
Not really. The implication is that _one subdivision_ of homophobes is self-conflicted homosexual wannabes. It does not imply there can’t be other subdivisions. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/145 "2020-12-06T00:28:16Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > > [@eschereal](#): > > > > One might infer that extreme homophobia is a response to experiencing sexual feelings that a person has been taught they are not supposed to have. > > Yeah, I’ve never liked that theory. It implies that straight man can’t be homophobes. I’m not sure they _can’t_ be, but they may be less likely to _bother to be_, i.e. gay sex doesn’t cause a physical response, hence they don’t form an aversive mental response. ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca90](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boudicca90/32/16818_2.png) [@Boudicca90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boudicca90)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/146 "2020-12-06T00:45:43Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Yeah, I’ve never liked that theory. It implies that straight man can’t be homophobes. No, straight men can certainly be homophobes. But the really extreme ones, like the ones who try to want to abolish our rights to marry or adopt children, tend to be repressed gay men. It’s happened so often I’ve lost count, whenever someone expresses extremely homophobic views, I just automatically assume they are gay and hate themselves for it, and so take it out on the rest of us who are actually happy with our living our queer lives. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/147 "2020-12-06T01:13:52Z")
> [@Boudicca90](#): > > No, straight men can certainly be homophobes. But the really extreme ones, like the ones who try to want to abolish our rights to marry or adopt children, tend to be repressed gay men. Yeah, there’s casual homophobes, who if the topic of gay rights naturally arises in conversation will express their displeasure, but otherwise won’t think too much about it. I don’t think anyone imagines all of them to be closeted. But there is whole other level of homophobes who think about gay sex more than actual (out) gay people do. And that’s where you get the surprisingly high levels of “caught soliciting in a men’s room” situations. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/148 "2020-12-06T16:41:33Z")
This is why conservatives are moving to Parler: > **[Twitter apologizes to NY Conservative Party for two-month suspension](https://nypost.com/2020/09/19/twitter-apologizes-to-ny-conservative-party-for-suspension/)** > > Twitter has finally apologized to the state Conservative Party after locking down its account for two months. “We’re writing to let you know that we’ve unsuspended your account. We’re s… > **[Twitter apologizes after conservative activist was blocked from account](https://thehill.com/policy/technology/400610-twitter-apologizes-after-conservative-activist-was-blocked-from-account/)** > > Twitter apologized to conservative activist Candace Owens on Sunday after briefly locking her out of her account over tweets the company believed violated its content rules.”We have restored … > **[Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey says blocking New York Post story was 'wrong'](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/16/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-says-blocking-post-story-was-wrong.html)** > > "Straight blocking of URLs was wrong, and we updated our policy and enforcement to fix. Our goal is to attempt to add context, and now we have capabilities to do that," Dorsey said in a tweet. > **[Twitter Apologizes For Suspending the Babylon Bee’s Account ‘By Mistake’](https://news.yahoo.com/twitter-apologizes-mistakenly-suspending-babylon-154401646.html)** > > Twitter has apologized to the conservative satirical website the Babylon Bee for wrongfully suspending its account after accidentally flagging it as spam Monday night.The Babylon Bee’s editor-in-chief Kyle Mann shared an email from Twitter on his... ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/149 "2020-12-06T17:48:03Z")
Or out and out gay men, who for political purposes decide to act like homophobes. (and Homophobes is a bad term, mind you, but …) ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/150 "2020-12-06T23:55:14Z")
Wait, the Babylon Bee is big-c Conservative? I guess I’ve never really looked past the funny Onion-esque headlines my non-partisan friends share on FB. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/151 "2020-12-07T01:52:35Z")
> [@Daithi\_Lacha](#): > > Wait, the Babylon Bee is big-c Conservative? The Babylon Bee is run by a bunch of c-words for sure. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/152 "2020-12-07T02:26:17Z")
It’s fascinating that so many big corporations show that sort of bias. What does that say about the strength of the corporate wing of the democratic party? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/153 "2020-12-07T05:02:21Z")
Nothing, but it says plenty about their customer base’s toleration of homophobia. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/154 "2020-12-11T04:33:27Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > This is why conservatives are moving to Parler: Pretty pathetic if conservatives are getting that pissed off over a few momentary, accidental, and/or rescinded Twitter suspensions. On the other hand, if conservatives genuinely object to Twitter’s policies against homophobic and otherwise bigoted speech because it’s interfering with their attempts to express homophobic and otherwise bigoted opinions, then sure, I think voluntarily moving to a more homophobia- and bigotry-friendly site like Parler is clearly the right move for them. Godspeed and God bless. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/155 "2020-12-11T12:50:57Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Pretty pathetic if conservatives are getting that pissed off over a few momentary, accidental, and/or rescinded Twitter suspensions. **Two months** is “momentary”? Also it seems odd that these “ **accidental** ” suspensions seem to happen mostly to conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/156 "2020-12-11T13:25:40Z")
It doesn’t happen mostly to conservatives. They’re just the ones who constantly whine that it’s because they are conservatives, and not because their posting patterns are indistinguishable from a spambot. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/157 "2020-12-11T13:26:11Z")
So you agree, conservatives skew towards homophobic and bigoted views. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/158 "2020-12-11T13:38:47Z")
Maybe some do but liberals do also and there are no consequences. Bigotry gets you promoted: > **[Joy Reid Lands MSNBC Primetime Slot Despite History of Homophobic Statements](https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/09/joy-reid-lands-msnbc-primetime-slot-despite-history-of-homophobic-statements/)** > > MSNBC's Joy Reid is taking over one of the network's weekday primetime slots despite her well-documented history of homophobic statements. > **[Vintage Al Sharpton footage: ‘You a punk faggot — now come on and do something’](https://dailycaller.com/2010/12/17/vintage-al-sharpton-footage-you-a-punk-faggot-now-come-on-and-do-something/)** > > Today's entertainment gossip and chatter > **[Joe Biden worried in 1977 that certain de-segregation policies would cause...](https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7?IR=T)** > > "Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle," Biden said. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/159 "2020-12-11T15:42:53Z")
So let’s see if I understand Agzem. You say twitter should censor people for statements they made 50 years ago, prior to the platforms existence. Because this is a thread about social media and how speech is or is not protected. Now, I do not dispute that bigotry and homophobia have been an issue in our society looooong before social media, and that people (including, gasp, ones that are or lean Dem) have used them as slurs. But the point is that maybe, just maybe, in 50 years (since you use a cite from freaking 1977) both people and society could change? That we might learn to be better, more inclusive, individuals? So back to the OP - I honestly support the existence of Parler - not that I’d ever want to use it, because it is self-selecting for people who piss me off. One of the reasons I support it is that considering RW extremism has been identified as a major source of threat by our government, that it will provide an easier way to find and track such extremists. And if Parler fails due to market pressures - well, that’s it’s own business. I mean, I wouldn’t want to advertise next to porn or hate, but there will be business that don’t mind. Will there be enough to support the platform if it has additional growth? Well, there’s a question. And would Trump ever, ever abandon Twitter where he can have @88 million followers, to go to Parler which has an estimated 8 million even with the election and his ranting against twitter? Nothing in his past indicates this… although he might if after he leaves office, since he’s no longer going to get to enjoy the same kid gloves on verifiably false tweets and incitements to hate. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109/160 "2020-12-11T15:52:42Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > Maybe some do but liberals **do** [emphasis added] also and there are no consequences. Bigotry gets you promoted: The crucial word in this statement is **do** and you cannot consider 40 and 50 year-old statements as present tense. And in what way does this get you promoted. What it gets you is criticism. Please stick to reality. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ish-free-speech-app-parler/925109.md?page=9)