The problem with that is that the opposers (those who take the opposite side from me in threads about the Witnesses) have so often been patronizing, belligerent, and crude; leaving me to wonder whether they are any better than those whom they criticize, or whether I have any other choices that don’t oblige me to doublethink. As it stands, when my time allows–some time in the next few days—I will go back over a number of threads on this topic and determine whether anything I posted can be construed as improper or insulting. I can’t unscramble an egg, but I can acknowledge it once I know about it.
What you’re doing here is called an ad hominem: you are confusing the message with the messenger. Nice people aren’t always right. Mean people aren’t always wrong. I’m sorry if your feelings have been hurt, but it doesn’t change the issues we are discussing.
This is my JW aunt’s favourite technique: when she can’t respond logically, she starts in on the character assassination. “Why should I listen to somebody who can’t treat his aunt with respect?” — never mind that the only “disrespect” was disagreeing with her on a matter of fact, and not even a religious one.
The first half of this response is another standard response that shows that the JW are indoctrinated into a cult - “there is no place better” “what other (or better) choice do I really have” - its assuming right off the bat that you ‘must’ belong somewhere.
(bolding mine) - You’ve been warned and moderated on countless occasions for your ‘improper or insulting’ style and comments - you were even suspended for 30 days because of it - that you now ‘have to review and check’ is insulting to anyone and everyone that has ever participated in one of these threads with you.
Missed the edit window - the suspension was for 2 weeks - not 30 days -
You’re not making this any easier. I made that last post as an attempt at contrition, not belligerence. Do you think I should stay quiet while you take the lion’s share of space on the thread? I don’t.
More to the point than attitude, the meaning of replies I have received is consistent–in a negative way: destructive criticism. What you think of the Watch Tower Society doesn’t mean much to me: I shall form my own evaluations of it, thank you. Likewise, if you don’t accept the Bible as the Word of God, just say so–don’t bother editorializing. I’ve heard those arguments before.
So what I intend to do with those older posts is determine where I crossed the line and own up to it. And, regardless of what you have said to the contrary, I still think it is possible for both parties of a disagreement to be civil–and without subtle provoking. And, like it or not, YOUR side of the issue has been undeniably tinted by the manifest attitude.
hmmmm
Your first post in this thread got mod-noted as an insult to the other posters - and it was on the first page of this thread.
You’ve posted ~ 20 times in this thread, with very little real content
I’ve posted ~5.
And this is exactly why I try very hard not to engage you directly in these threads anymore - as your version of reality is clearly skewed.
If you don’t want to hear negative comments abou tthe bible or the Watchtower- don’t participate in those threads on this board - thats on you.
Have a pleasant day - I will comment on your posts as I see fit - I will not engage with you directly any further unless sufficiently provoked or I forget or I just want to.
What I would like to know - and will never get a satisfactory answer other than “because” - is why JW’s, or indeed any other religion, is even in India. Who asked you to come? Indians don’t want your second hand peddled religion; we’ve got way too many of our own already. Everybody thinks India is a fertile source of converts because we have a lot of people who are poorly educated. Prey on the weak, as it were.
Wow…
How did you find the time to canvass such a populous country? Your statement about ‘what Indians want’ is meaningless if you haven’t done so; I don’t see how you are in a position to speak for everyone else in the country.
If you don’t want the Witnesses in India, by all means call back the Buddhists, Hindus, etc., who are here. I don’t know that a formal request was made to them to come here.
Let me rephrase. You can come and live, sure, Indians don’t mind. But coming to India and telling us your religion is better? Sorry, the Brits tried for 400 years, calling us savages and monkeys and considered barely better than the blacks.
I’m pretty sure Hindus don’t come to the States and tell everyone how great Krishna is and how everyone should convert. And those that do, are just as wrong.
Don’t Buddhists and Hindus believe that they have the right religion? They should! People of every religion should! It would be hypocritical to follow a particular religion and not to believe it to be the right one.
Yes and no. Hindus believe every moral and good path is a path to God. We have simply accepted all of the other prophets as avatars of the One True Soul. Jesus has his own name in our language.
Obviously YMMV from house to house, but we don’t see the point of conversion and think it’s kind of weird.
Perhaps you do. And once and for all, I would like to know what YMMV means, if you please.
Since I enjoy looking at the commonalities across religions, I find it interesting that Hindus have their own name for Jesus. What is it?
It’s probably worth mentioning that there have been Christians in India since the first century A.D. (one site which mentions the specific places), which no doubt came as a shock to the Portuguese more than a millennium later. It’s not like Hindus, Buddhists, and the other groups in India were ever entirely unaware of the option.
Unlike Europe, where nation after nation converted, India has happily been more or less resisting for 2000 years. Any missionary going there today is surely committing the sin of pride!
Me too. I’m running low on firewood.
I’m going to hate myself for joining in this thread, but I can’t help it.
dougie_monty, why does believing your religion is the right one mean you have to convince everyone else it’s the right one?
Secondly, do you ever consider that one should reflect on the teachings and practices of their particular religion and examine whether the religion is truly working toward it’s supposed aims?
August West I am not blaming you. It’s not like I am writing your name down in my secret Mod notebook or anything. Really I’m not, wink wink. But this thread has moved well beyond the question asked in the OP. If anyone wants to continue to debate this particular religion they can follow this to GD where I am moving it.
your mileage may vary
When I was in college, there were tons of Hare Krishnas annoying people at airports.
But I think they were all originally Jewish.
First, I rely on the last two verses of the 28th chapter of Matthew, and Acts 1:8, whether those who disagree with me here like it or not.
Second…No. To me that suggests brazen hypocrisy and the fox guarding the henhouse.
Are you sure you don’t mean kindling wood?