# New “Lord of the Rings “ movies coming! (2023 announcement) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [February 24, 2023, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272 "2023-02-24T02:35:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/21 "2023-02-24T15:07:49Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > There were negative reactions, yes. But when people phrasing it as “With negative reactions to […] _Rings Of Power_”, not “with some negative reactions”, the implication is clearly that the _overall_ reaction was negative, and that it was a flop. This is not the case. That is what I mean by a narrative driven by failed backlash. Agreed. There is a strange narrative that everyone hated it… and I saw this phenomenon a lot on reddit on /r/television, whenever someone said they liked it, it’d get downvoted to oblivion. I knew plenty of people who enjoyed it. I thought it was above average (I’m not going to say I loved it, but I did enjoy it). ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/22 "2023-02-24T15:22:11Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I loved it, yes. I was also in that camp on that thread. Don’t confuse the loudness of those who disliked the show with consensus or even plurality. I know Amazon did not have rights to \*The Silmarillion” - does anyone? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/23 "2023-02-24T16:30:02Z")
Love it or hate it calling Rings of Power anything besides a massive hit is a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/24 "2023-02-24T16:55:46Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Agreed. There is a strange narrative that everyone hated it… and I saw this phenomenon a lot on reddit on /r/television, whenever someone said they liked it, it’d get downvoted to oblivion. Also agreed. I pity the show runners of any IP with a fandom as passionate as Tolkienites. Oftentimes a fandom will confuse themselves for the broader audience, and mistake their own displeasure for the general consensus. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/25 "2023-02-24T17:29:20Z")
It took a few episodes for me to put aside my expectations of how established characters such as Elrond, Ellendil, Isildur and especially Galadriel should be portrayed and the conflicts with Tolkien timelines, but once I did and accepted they are telling a different story, I quite enjoyed it and will watch more. The production values were outstanding and the plot lines of the new characters I enjoyed throughout. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/26 "2023-02-24T20:27:15Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > I am truly now Bored of the Rings My Wife and I were discussing Tim Benzadrine’s Old Lady just yesterday evening. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/27 "2023-02-24T20:40:39Z")
I was disappointed with rings of power, but also enjoyed it enough that i plan to watch the next season. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/28 "2023-02-24T21:46:52Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > the implication is clearly that the _overall_ reaction was negative, Er. That’s a bit picky. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/29 "2023-02-24T22:22:37Z")
This pretty much encapsulates my reaction and attitude to Rings of Power. Not so much that it fiddled with the timeline and things like that, but that the writing and acting completely wore out their welcome into my head by the fourth episode. I’m not denying that it was a hit, it doesn’t hurt my feelings if people liked it or loved it or just didn’t care. Just as I hope it doesn’t hurt their feelings if I don’t. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/g3DuMiplGHU/maxresdefault.jpg "Honest Trailers | Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power (Season 1)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3DuMiplGHU) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/30 "2023-02-25T15:34:52Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > I know Amazon did not have rights to \*The Silmarillion” - does anyone? So far as I know, it’s still the Tolkien family. Who I imagine are now even less inclined than ever to sell the rights to anyone. They might eventually change their minds, but I suspect that that would take longer than it would to just wait for it to reach public domain by age. ---
**Author:** ![HorribleMutantBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/258eb7/32.png) [@HorribleMutantBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HorribleMutantBoy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/31 "2023-02-25T15:45:31Z")
As in remaking the trilogy? Was anyone asking for that? ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/32 "2023-02-25T15:51:45Z")
No I think the implication is that they are not being remade. I’m glad about that. They are as good as I could have ever imagined as a young boy reading Tolkien. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/33 "2023-02-25T16:15:53Z")
There has been additional info that it should be more works set in Middle Earth but not a remake of either Trilogy. I wonder if we’ll see an expanded Scouring of the Shire? ---
**Author:** ![HorribleMutantBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/258eb7/32.png) [@HorribleMutantBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HorribleMutantBoy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/34 "2023-02-25T17:54:22Z")
Maybe something like Fall of Gondolin or Beren and Luthien then. I could get behind that, albeit apprehensively. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/35 "2023-02-25T17:56:21Z")
The original acquisition news release: > **[Embracer Group enters into agreement to acquire IP rights to The Lord of the...](https://embracer.com/releases/embracer-group-enters-into-agreement-to-acquire-ip-rights-to-the-lord-of-the-rings-and-the-hobbit-literary-works-by-j-r-r-tolkien/)** > > Embracer Group AB (”Embracer”), through its wholly owned subsidiary Freemode\[1\], has entered into an agreement to acquire Middle-earth Enterprises, a division of The Saul Zaentz Company, which owns a vast intellectual property catalogue and worldwide... > **Other opportunities include exploring additional movies based on iconic characters such as Gandalf, Aragorn, Gollum, Galadriel, Eowyn and other characters from the literary works of J.R.R. Tolkien, and continue to provide new opportunities for fans to explore this fictive world through merchandising and other experiences.** Interesting that Saul “Zaentz Can’t Dance” Zaentz has owned the rights since 1976. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/36 "2023-02-25T18:10:45Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It’s profitable. > > People will watch mediocre-to-crappy stuff like Rings of Power, Loki, and The Book of Boba Fett _because they know the franchises_. Exactly so. Tolkien, and _The Lord of the Rings_, undoubtedly have far higher name recognition, and at least a smattering of familiarity, among the general public than any of: > [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > (_Elric of Melniboné_, _The Dying Earth_, _Ringworld_, _Patternmaster_, et cetera) ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/37 "2023-02-25T18:14:01Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I wonder if we’ll see an expanded Scouring of the Shire? I kind of doubt they’d do anything that would contradict the Jackson films, although I could be wrong. > [@HorribleMutantBoy](#): > > Maybe something like Fall of Gondolin or Beren and Luthien then. Could be something like that. But it could also be something set in Middle Earth, but not a direct adaptation of anything Tolkien had written. I would be quite happy to see them take that route _if_ they could do it “right” (although it would be misleading to call them “Lord of the Rings” movies, as opposed to something like “Middle Earth movies”). ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/38 "2023-02-25T18:18:37Z")
> [@HorribleMutantBoy](#): > > Maybe something like Fall of Gondolin or Beren and Luthien then. Almost undoubtedly not, unfortunately. It appears that the new films (like the Amazon series) will be using film rights for _The Hobbit_ and _The Lord of the Rings_. As far as I know, there have never been any deals made by the Tolkien estate for any sort of adaptation rights for _The Silmarillion_, and I doubt that there will be, so long as the estate is controlled by the family. Even with _The Rings of Power_, which is set in the Second Age (a period, and events, which was covered in _The Silmarillion_), my understanding is that the adaptation rights precluded the producers and writers from using any content which solely appeared in _The Silmarillion_; they were limited to using references and information which appeared in _The Lord of the Rings_ (particularly the appendices). ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/39 "2023-02-25T18:27:24Z")
Everyone get ready for the wacky sitcom _Young Strider_. It’s basically _Young Sheldon_, with an 8-year-old precocious Aragorn (called “Estel” in the show) getting into trouble and learning life lessons in Rivendell. [![](https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0439/5935/3509/products/RU38933_1024x1024.jpg) ](https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0439/5935/3509/products/RU38933_1024x1024.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272/40 "2023-02-25T18:46:41Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > > [@HorribleMutantBoy](#): > > > > Maybe something like Fall of Gondolin or Beren and Luthien then. > > Almost undoubtedly not, unfortunately. It appears that the new films (like the Amazon series) will be using film rights for _The Hobbit_ and _The Lord of the Rings_. As far as I know, there have never been any deals made by the Tolkien estate for any sort of adaptation rights for _The Silmarillion_, and I doubt that there will be, so long as the estate is controlled by the family. Which is a damn shame, given the quality of those stories. A multi-season First Age series, beginning with Feanor and the creation of the Silmarils, running through Beren & Luthien, Children of Hurin, the Fall of Gondolin, finishing with Earendil and the choices of Elrond & Elrond Half-Elven would be majestic in scope and tie-in nicely to the mythology that’s already been produced. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-movies-coming-2023-announcement/980272.md?page=3)