# New Lord of the Rings trailer **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 25, 2001, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681 "2001-09-25T13:48:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/41 "2001-09-28T15:49:58Z")
**MikeG** : > [@](#): > > Umm, maybe it’s because I haven’t had any coffee this morning, but aren’t they in fact the same person? Sometimes I feel so very lonely. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/42 "2001-09-28T16:13:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fiver \* > Sometimes I feel so very lonely. \*\* Don’t worry, **Fiver**. I got it. Utulien aure! Auta e lome! ---
**Author:** ![lno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a8b319/32.png) [@lno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lno)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/43 "2001-09-28T16:46:29Z")
A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel, Iä! Iä! Shub-Niggurath! Wait, I think I got a bit confused. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/44 "2001-09-28T19:06:50Z")
I bow to no one in geekiness–I’ve been tracking the movie on Coming attractions/corona.com for 3 years; check the web sites ([theonering.net](http://theonering.net), [theonering.com](http://theonering.com)) every day; check rec.arts.books.tolkien (where the balrog wings debate raged) periodically; downloaded all the trailers as they’re released. But I think I’ve reached saturation–I’m at the point where I don’t wanna see no more, I want to be surprised. I feel like I’ve seen the whole thing already. But I am very, very happy with what I’ve seen so far. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/45 "2001-09-28T19:16:58Z")
Tom Bombadil is definitely gone. (no big loss, for me) Glorfindel’s role is taken by Arwen (Liv tyler). Rumors that Arwen’s role would be expanded even more, to the point where she accompanies the Fellowship to Helm’s Deep (the XenArwen Warrior Princess scenario), are untrue. (Poor Glorfindel–he was replaced in the Bakshi version by Legolas). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/46 "2001-09-28T19:48:23Z")
We’re to pity Glorfindel, for managing to escape being portrayed by Bakshi? Pity Legolas, rather, who had to put up with more than his fair share. Speaking of Legolas, I have no clue how much is computer enhancement, and how much is the actor just doing a damn fine job. Either way, it looks amazing… Which is, after all, what a movie’s all about. ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/47 "2001-09-28T20:12:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Munch \* > \*\*Correct. Strider and Aragorn are the same person, who happens to be a member of the group called the Dunedan (a ranger-like group). I’m sure someone (I’m looking at you, Saltire) will come along and give a brief synopsis of the history of the Dunedan. \*\* I think **KeithB** gave a good version and much shorter than I probably would have done. You really don’t want the long one in this thread. Besides, I’d surely mess up a detail or two, and I couldn’t bear the shame. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2001, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/48 "2001-09-28T20:17:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lno \* > \*\*A Elbereth Gilthoniel, > silivren penna míriel, > Iä! Iä! Shub-Niggurath! > > Wait, I think I got a bit confused. \*\* Geek wires getting crossed. Why do I always think that “A Elbereth Gilthoniel” is followed “and ransom captive Israel”? ---
**Author:** ![Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laughing_Lagomorph)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2001, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/49 "2001-09-29T00:57:53Z")
Just saw it. I can’t wait! ---
**Author:** ![Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laughing_Lagomorph)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2001, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/50 "2001-09-29T01:04:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fiver \* > \*\* > The Dunedan, Strider and Aragorn can all be combined into the same character. In fact, I’ll be surprised if they don’t do this. \*\* It’s even worse! I hear they are combining into one character: Strider, Aragorn, Estel, Ellesar, Elfstone, Telcontar, Thorongil, Wingfoot, Longshanks… Sorry, I couldn’t help it. As for Gimli and Gloin, in the frame-by-frame analysis at [theonering.net](http://theonering.net), in the scenes at the Council of Elrond there looks like there are at least THREE Dwarves present, one of whom looks older,greyer, balder. Gloin? ---
**Author:** ![Cyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a88e4f/32.png) [@Cyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyn)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2001, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/51 "2001-09-29T03:42:56Z")
The trailers are turning me into the spoiled, whiny four-year old I once was… I wanna see it NOOOOOOOOOWW!! No! No! I can’t WAIT till Christmas, NOW! \*\* Drachillix\*\* doesn’t love me. He says he does, but he really doesn’t, cuz he won’t let me see the movie NOW! ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2001, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/52 "2001-09-29T13:49:27Z")
Is Gimlet, son of Groin in it? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2001, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/53 "2001-09-29T19:37:02Z")
Did you notice whether the older, greyer, balder fellow had a beard? (I don’t have it on mine own computer, so I can’t frame-by-frame it myself.) Bilbo, of course, was also at the Council. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2001, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/54 "2001-09-29T20:48:39Z")
I didn’t notice Bilbo, but there are definitely at least two dwarves in the shot that shows Frodo at the table with the ring. ---
**Author:** ![Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laughing_Lagomorph)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/55 "2001-09-30T00:27:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chronos \* > \*\*Did you notice whether the older, greyer, balder fellow had a beard? (I don’t have it on mine own computer, so I can’t frame-by-frame it myself.) Bilbo, of course, was also at the Council. \*\* Voila: (French for: “I have just reached the limit of my pathetic computer-related abilities”) [http://www.theonering.net/movie/preview/fotr\_trailer02\_02.html](http://www.theonering.net/movie/preview/fotr_trailer02_02.html) In the 6th frame down on the second page which is linked above is the scene from the Council of Elrond. It will be enlarged if you click on it. Frodo is in the foreground center, on the left in the background there are Elvish looking beings. On the right in the background there are two Dwarvish figures: short (well, they are sitting, but still), stocky, bearded and at the extreme right is a half-cut-off figure that looks equally Dwarvish. If you look at the central “Dwarf” (meaning the rightmost whole one) he is definitely balder and greyer than the other to his right (viewers left). I think he is even holding a cane of some sort. Now that I look closely at it again, I’m not sure if that figure to his right (leftmost Dwarf in the frame) is John Rhys-Davies (Gimli) or not. So that’s why I said three Dwarves, one of whom could be Gloin. Jeez, now that I read this I’m starting to sound like seethruart. ---
**Author:** ![Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laughing_Lagomorph)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/56 "2001-09-30T02:29:16Z")
I enlarged the frame around the enlargement. The rightmost of the three Dwarves is Gimli (John Rhys-Davies). So that leaves two more. Grumpy? Dopey? I’m going to bed. ---
**Author:** ![Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laughing_Lagomorph)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/57 "2001-09-30T16:20:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Laughing Lagomorph \* > \*\*I enlarged the frame around the enlargement. The rightmost of the three Dwarves is Gimli (John Rhys-Davies). So that leaves two more. Grumpy? Dopey? > \*\* Before some weisenheimer beats me to it: It can’t be Dopey. He didn’t have a beard. ---
**Author:** ![Katisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bcef8e/32.png) [@Katisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katisha)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2001, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/58 "2001-09-30T20:12:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jsc1953 \* > \*\*Why do I always think that “A Elbereth Gilthoniel” is followed “and ransom captive Israel”? \*\* Oh, thank you very much. I’ll never be able to think of it the right way again. 😉 As far as the trailer goes: DROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Another\_Primate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Another\_Primate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Another_Primate)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681/59 "2001-11-12T04:38:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Laughing Lagomorph \* > \*\*It’s even worse! I hear they are combining into one character: Strider, Aragorn, Estel, Ellesar, Elfstone, Telcontar, Thorongil, Wingfoot, Longshanks… > \*\* I was going to start a thread asking for all of Aragorn’s names, but decided to be a good girl and do a search first. So, **Laughing Lagomorph** , are there more? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-lord-of-the-rings-trailer/83681.md?page=2)