# New McCain Doctrine: Preemptive lying **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 20, 2008, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405 "2008-09-20T05:06:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2008, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405/241 "2008-10-05T20:29:57Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Smile when you say that (I do). My greed puts food on a lot of people’s tables. Yes, it does. Your consumption provides jobs, and your investments provides jobs. That’s the value you add - as a money through-put. From what you’ve said, that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405/242 "2008-10-05T22:20:11Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > not Paris Hilton and John Kerry’s wife. Living here in Pittsburgh, I can tell you a damned few things about Teresa Heinz Kerry, and maybe people SHOULD be thinking about her and the rest of the Heinz family. (And the Rooney clan, for that matter, if we’re going to be talking about wealthy Pittsburghers!) The woman grew up the daughter of a medical doctor in Mozambique and often went along with her father on his visits into the African bush, so I think she’s seen how the other half lives. Perhaps it’s a blessing that Senator Heinz is no longer around to see how his party treated his widow when her second husband ran for president. **Rand Rover** , I haven’t seen ignorance this staggering at the SDMB in a long time. When you find yourself in a hole, and all that jazz. (And before you give me all that tired bullshit about facts vs. opinions, you ARE aware there are such things as **informed opinions** , are you not?) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405/243 "2008-10-05T22:30:42Z")
[This](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/5/164823/254/418/620963) is hysterical. McCain caught red-handed. I hope this plays in every market, every hour until the election. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405/244 "2008-10-05T22:52:15Z")
Read the comments. Many people are saying that the ad is confusing and whiny, and I’m inclined to agree. It could have been done smartly, but it wasn’t. One commenter pointed out that just switching the bit with McCain speaking to the camera to the top of the ad would have been much more effective. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2008, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405/245 "2008-10-05T23:12:33Z")
Horrible ad. I had no friggin’ idea what I was looking at. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2008, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405/246 "2008-10-05T23:15:21Z")
That ad stinks! What the fuck is that mumble of “Obama” over and over, fer cryin’ out loud! What is this, post modernist irony? In a political ad? My dog could write a better ad than that, and he’s drunk half the time. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405/247 "2008-10-06T04:57:29Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That ad stinks! What the fuck is that mumble of “Obama” over and over, fer cryin’ out loud! What is this, post modernist irony? In a political ad? My dog could write a better ad than that, and he’s drunk half the time. Plus most dogs don’t type all that well, what with paws and all. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405/248 "2008-10-06T06:08:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That ad stinks! What the fuck is that mumble of “Obama” over and over, fer cryin’ out loud! What is this, post modernist irony? In a political ad? My dog could write a better ad than that, and he’s drunk half the time. The point is that McCain’s ads aren’t talking about what McCain would do, they’re talking about Obama. I think [Obama’s ad](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14283.html) is a bit better, but I do like the clip of McCain at the end. I think the headlines at the beginning of this ad give plenty of context, though. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405/249 "2008-10-07T01:14:15Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That ad stinks! What the fuck is that mumble of “Obama” over and over, fer cryin’ out loud! What is this, post modernist irony? In a political ad? My dog could write a better ad than that, and he’s drunk half the time. Think of it as basically pointing out that when it comes to political campaigns, McCain has gone Jan Brady: “Obama Obama Obama!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2008, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405/250 "2008-10-08T23:18:21Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Wow, 45.4% of the population are atheist fiscally conservative socially liberal lawyers? Color me surprised. Atheist? I thought that traditionally all Lawyers were in league with Satan? I’m a Limey and am genuinely not trying to make any sort of political or personal comment but being a Limey I’m not totally Au Fait with the U.S. political process or even the etiquette involved so if I’m making some sort of dreadful social gaffe I totally apologise andI hope that you dont just ignore me but let me know if I have so that I dont put my foot in it in the future. All of a sudden out of the blue a poster that I’ve never consciously noticed before starts posting on exclusively electoral subjects and is also a highly paid Lawyer. From movies that I’ve watched I understand that the legal proffession is a major source of U.S. politicians and I would assume their campaign apparatus. (When of course they’re not dancing naked around bonfires at midnight and sacrificing virgins and whatnot) So would you be a dedicated campaign worker? If so would you be paid or unpaid? Would you be assigned to a specific M.B. or a range of M.Bs? Or would you pick and choose your own? Do you address all electoral threads or are you assigned/confine yourself to specific topics? I used to enjoy the West Wing so if you are actually part of that process it would be well interesting,but of course I could be barking up the wrong tree all together. If my questions are intrusive or overly personal I apologise totally. I am motivated only by my curiousity about the American campaigning process and nothing else, on this you have my word. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405/251 "2008-10-09T02:55:44Z")
> [@Lust4Life](#): > > of course I could be barking up the wrong tree all together. Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405/252 "2008-10-09T06:29:08Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Indeed. I think that I’ve just proved the premise that the human mind will always see a pattern within random data where none exists:) Pity though,it would have been interesting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-mccain-doctrine-preemptive-lying/464405.md?page=12)