# new member going straight to the pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 11, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312 "2019-02-11T00:58:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![icantdraw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/3ec8ea/32.png) [@icantdraw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icantdraw)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/21 "2019-02-12T22:36:32Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > 1. Ketchup is wrong. But if you also put mustard on I wouldn’t make you leave my table > 2. Under makes no sense at all. WRONG!!! (asshole\*) Under means that the cat can’t unroll the roll on to the floor. And I don’t even have a cat and I do it for that reason. - You probably aren’t, but this is the pit after all… ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/22 "2019-02-12T22:55:13Z")
I, too, never understood why anyone would roll their toilet paper from the under. But then some Doper let me know about the cat thing. The things I’ve learned here, but never applied in my life measure in some number. Or quantity, or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/23 "2019-02-12T23:08:04Z")
I’ve always had cats and they’ve never done it so I didn’t know. They have occasionally gotten into the paper towels ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/24 "2019-02-12T23:09:46Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > “The coldest argument I ever spent was with an idiot in San Francisco.” Now I wish I didn’t hate signatures, because that would be mine. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/25 "2019-02-12T23:28:11Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I, too, never understood why anyone would roll their toilet paper from the under. But then some Doper let me know about the cat thing. The things I’ve learned here, but never applied in my life measure in some number. Or quantity, or whatever. I never could make a decision on the toilet paper thingy, so I have a stand that holds 3 rolls stacked up. Simplify, folks, simplify. The real question for the OP is, “Can you make it\* better and cheaper at home?” \*anything. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/26 "2019-02-13T01:37:17Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > 1. Under makes no sense at all. Pay attention, because this is ultimate truth and will fly quickly from the mind. In a Perfect World, Under is superior. It is simply more streamlined and attractive. Beauty is Truth. An Over roll crowned with a flappy piece of flimsy, irregularly torn paper is ugly. But we do not exist in a perfect world. In almost every case, some design flaw will make Under impractical. The mounting will be too low to see or reach. The mounting will be too tight and prevent easy spinning of a new roll. The mounting will be too close to a wall and condensed moisture will leach onto the roll. But when the stars align, do not allow a lifetime of coping with a corrupt, jerry-rigged world cause you to reject the Kingdom of God. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/27 "2019-02-13T02:18:40Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I never could make a decision on the toilet paper thingy, so I have a stand that holds 3 rolls stacked up. Ah, clever! . . . . . . . Um… left, or right? [sub]by the way, “under” doesn’t actually stop a cat[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/28 "2019-02-13T02:48:44Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > Ah, clever! > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > Um… left, or right? > [sub]by the way, “under” doesn’t actually stop a cat[/sub] However it lands in the stack. I like a little excitement in my life. Nothing will stop a cat on a mission to tear paper. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/29 "2019-02-13T11:24:01Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > However it lands in the stack. I like a little excitement in my life. > Nothing will stop a cat on a mission to tear paper. You guys don’t know the best way to prevent a cat from tearing up the toilet paper. The answer is really quite simple: Don’t use toilet paper. Or, as I do, don’t have a cat. Apartment living overseas limits choice of pets. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/30 "2019-02-13T13:12:57Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I never could make a decision on the toilet paper thingy, so I have a stand that holds 3 rolls stacked up. Simplify, folks, simplify. > The real question for the OP is, “Can you make it\* better and cheaper at home?” > > \*anything. All you’ve done is change the debate from top/bottom to left/right. 😛 Eta: Dammit, Xenophon41. I mean… _really_? You just had to pre-steal my joke, dintcha? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/31 "2019-02-13T15:59:12Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You guys don’t know the best way to prevent a cat from tearing up the toilet paper. The answer is really quite simple: Don’t use toilet paper. > > Or, as I do, don’t have a cat. Apartment living overseas limits choice of pets. The best way to prevent a cat from tearing up toilet paper is to have it declawed. ---
**Author:** ![Jumpbass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jumpbass/32/147_2.png) [@Jumpbass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jumpbass)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/32 "2019-02-13T16:21:56Z")
Use the cat as toilet paper. That’ll show it. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/33 "2019-02-13T17:28:56Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > I’ve always had cats and they’ve never done it so I didn’t know. They have occasionally gotten into the paper towels Cats? Aha! Time for that other tried and true argument starter: Declaw or not? _dons fire-retardant suit; flees_ 😃 Damn; ninja’d by **74Westy**! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/34 "2019-02-13T19:37:01Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > The best way to prevent a cat from tearing up toilet paper is to have it declawed. Yeah, but isn’t that cruel to the cat? Do veterinarians still do declawing? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/35 "2019-02-13T20:20:54Z")
We could all just close the bathroom door.😉 ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/36 "2019-02-13T20:29:52Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I, too, never understood why anyone would roll their toilet paper from the under. But then some Doper let me know about the cat thing. The things I’ve learned here, but never applied in my life measure in some number. Or quantity, or whatever. For the life of me, I never really understood that people even paid attention to this until the Dope and social media. If you asked me, I wouldn’t have a clue which way I put the toilet paper roll on the spool. Basically, I just throw it on the spool, try to find where the little perforation/separation is, and whichever way it happens to hang, that’s the way it hangs. Just for fun, I checked, and two of the bathrooms have it under; one has it over. But I had to check, as I hadn’t the faintest clue. Over two decades of adulthood and it’s never occurred to me that this is important or in any way affects utility. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/37 "2019-02-13T20:39:33Z")
The litmus test for the over/under issue to determine how seriously someone takes it is the question: Have you ever inverted the roll in someone else’s house because you felt that they were doing it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/38 "2019-02-13T21:02:39Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The litmus test for the over/under issue to determine how seriously someone takes it is the question: Have you ever inverted the roll in someone else’s house because you felt that they were doing it wrong. OMG, my sister used to do that! Seriously anal. I’m not crazy, (well yeah I am) but not about toilet paper hanging. So what are thoughts on the paper towel roll, OP? ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/39 "2019-02-14T22:47:32Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > OMG, my sister used to do that! Seriously anal. I’m not crazy, (well yeah I am) but not about toilet paper hanging. > So what are thoughts on the paper towel roll, OP? Fuck Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312/40 "2019-02-14T22:59:39Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > Fuck Trump. Sorry. Bad joke. Can’t seem to edit my posts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-member-going-straight-to-the-pit/829312.md?page=3)