# New movie "Vaxxed" reopens discussion about the link between autism and vaccines **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 15, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420 "2016-06-15T13:49:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/181 "2016-06-20T15:59:40Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > You can also look at school records or even the families home videos and you see a clear before and after distinction. So say a kid was hitting developmental milestones such as speech and physical activity one day and then loses those shortly after getting their 15 month vaccinations. Wouldn’t that be evidence of something happening? Is it possible you will ever stop piling on question after question after question after question, and finally respond to the what people have said about your own OP? Enough of this Gish Gallop. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/182 "2016-06-20T16:17:39Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I also have two daughters. The oldest is autistic, and the youngest is not. > > Both were fully vaccinated according to the standard schedule. > > My anecdote therefore cancels out yours. This is why we have science, to look at large enough numbers to draw legitimate conclusions. ALL of the science disagrees with you. You bring up a good point because the effect is not the same for every kid. Most kids get their vaccines right on the CDC schedule and are just fine. BUT, others do not. Even [Merk admits the vaccine sometimes causes problems.](https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf)(scroll down to page 6) And thats the thing about chemicals. They often affect different people different ways. For example some people are allergic to penicillin. Some to nuts. if a doctor prescribes a medicine they can never be 100% sure of the outcome. Do a Google search on the ingredients in side the Merk MMR II vaccine to find a listing. Also one should not Merk gives [strict guidelines on proper storage and administration of MMR II.](https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf)(on page 8) It makes me wonder what happens when the vaccinations are given by a tired, hurried, and poorly trained nurses. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/183 "2016-06-20T16:19:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is it possible you will ever stop piling on question after question after question after question, and finally respond to the what people have said about your own OP? Enough of this Gish Gallop. If you would research a bit of your own you’s see I’ve responded to others 11 times. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/184 "2016-06-20T16:20:53Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > If you would research a bit of your own you’s see I’ve responded to others 11 times. About your OP? ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/185 "2016-06-20T16:22:25Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Is it possible science has left something out when everything is done in controlled laboratory settings and is reduced to just numbers and data? Maybe their is something missing when a researcher just stays in their lab with their computers, books, and testing equipment. Is it possible you will eventually notice that every time you’ve posed a question in this thread you’ve received a sourced reply with how this has already been done? The refutation of every goddamn vaccine-autism link ever posed by someone not a raving loon has been done by looking at actual children. > [@Urbanredneck](#): > > You can also look at school records or even the families home videos and you see a clear before and after distinction. So say a kid was hitting developmental milestones such as speech and physical activity one day and then loses those shortly after getting their 15 month vaccinations. Wouldn’t that be evidence of something happening? 15 months do not have school records, but again you’re posing a question that has already been answered. Here is _one_ of _several_ such studies: > [@](#): > > In the United Kingdom, researchers evaluated 498 autistic children born from 1979 through 1992 who were identified by computerized health records from 8 health districts [5]. Although a trend toward increasing autism diagnoses by year of birth was confirmed, no change in the rates of autism diagnoses after the 1987 introduction of MMR vaccine was observed. Further, MMR vaccination rates of autistic children were similar to those of the entire study population. Also, investigators did not observe a clustering of autism diagnoses relative to the time that children received MMR vaccine, nor did they observe a difference in age at autism diagnosis between those vaccinated and not vaccinated or between those vaccinated before or after 18 months of age. These authors also found no differences in autism rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated children when they extended their analysis to include a longer time after MMR exposure or a second dose of MMR [6]. > **[Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses](https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/48/4/456/284219)** > > Abstract. Although child vaccination rates remain high, some parental concern persists that vaccines might cause autism. Three specific hypotheses have bee You need to grasp that the sources you are currently using are deluded and/or lying, and that science has wasted an incredible amount of money doing very good science to refute their nonsense. Or maybe not wasted, there are some who have actually paid attention and been converted from their misinformed vaccine-hesitance, but too many are, like you, just merrily accepting the cherry picked vomitus of charlatans. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/186 "2016-06-20T16:23:44Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > If you would research a bit of your own you’s see I’ve responded to others 11 times. You just keep asking more questions. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/187 "2016-06-20T16:30:06Z")
Here is an article that you may find interesting. It includes a link to the actual study. (Eta -appears to be an outdated link) [https://www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news/study-addresses-‘too-many-too-soon’-vaccine-concerns](https://www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news/study-addresses-%E2%80%98too-many-too-soon%E2%80%99-vaccine-concerns) ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/188 "2016-06-20T16:30:43Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Here is a link to the opening sequence of that video which is really the bottom line: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo) > > For some reason anti-vaxxers have never looked into history and remembering [polio wards](http://www.trbimg.com/img-53cefce6/turbine/la-ol-vaccines-carlsbad-documentary-letters-20-002/1024/1024x576) and any of a host of other scourges. > > Vaccines are far and away among the most successful health benefits humanity has ever come across. > > Even IF vaccines caused autism they’d still be far, far and away worth continuing. Thing is vaccines DO NOT cause autism so use them. I keep wondering why they compare measles, mumps, and chicken pox to polio? I for one had all 3 growing up as did many others kids of the 60’s. Interestingly according to [this site](http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2014/04/17/36986/faq-how-you-can-still-get-measles-even-after-being/), persons born back when measles were common (pre 1957) are considered naturally immune. I’d like to also add that getting the MMR does not make you immune to the measles. Even vaccinated people can get it. Here is [an NPR story](http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/04/18/304155213/why-mumps-and-measles-can-spread-even-when-were-vaccinated) on this. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/189 "2016-06-20T16:31:56Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > It makes me wonder what happens when the vaccinations are given by a tired, hurried, and poorly trained nurses. What do you imagine could happen? That the tired, hurried, and poorly trained nurse accidentally used a vial of “autism+ - for when you absolutely don’t want a neurotypical child!”? Any and all of the ideas you could come up with would show up as an increase in autism among the of children who are vaccinated when compared to those not vaccinated. That increase doesn’t exist or is so small that it can’t be found even when examining the medical history of **hundreds of thousands of children**. And even knowing that the medical science community has bent over backwards to examine possibilities such as a correlation between the timing of vaccines and the onset of autism symptoms, and found there isn’t one. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/190 "2016-06-20T16:34:42Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > You bring up a good point because the effect is not the same for every kid. Most kids get their vaccines right on the CDC schedule and are just fine. BUT, others do not. Even [Merk admits the vaccine sometimes causes problems.](https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf)(scroll down to page 6). Gotta love it: \*\*Item: Thousands of studies done showing no link between vaccines and autism. \*\* Anti-vaxxer reaction: Can’t trust those! They are missing something! They are paid off by big pharma! We need even moooooooore studies! Let’s do out own study! Hey it didn’t get the result we waaaanted! Big Pharma! Big Pharma! Big Pharma!!! **Item: A comprehensive list of possible vaccine reactions that includes pretty much everything that happened to a child ever after having a vaccine.** Anti-vaxxer reaction: This list is sacred, cannot possibly contain errors, and in no way lists more reactions than will actually occour in someone recieving the vaccine. Don’t get me started of VAERS. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/191 "2016-06-20T16:36:55Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I keep wondering why they compare measles, mumps, and chicken pox to polio? I for one had all 3 growing up as did many others kids of the 60’s. Interestingly according to [this site](http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2014/04/17/36986/faq-how-you-can-still-get-measles-even-after-being/), persons born back when measles were common (pre 1957) are considered naturally immune. > > I’d like to also add that getting the MMR does not make you immune to the measles. Even vaccinated people can get it. Here is [an NPR story](http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/04/18/304155213/why-mumps-and-measles-can-spread-even-when-were-vaccinated) on this. This is irrelevant to your questions so far in the thread and are just further evidence you’re immune to the information so far provided. Assuming you started with your strongest cards and have actually read and understood that they have been beaten, why are you still at the table? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/192 "2016-06-20T16:42:00Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > You bring up a good point because the effect is not the same for every kid. Most kids get their vaccines right on the CDC schedule and are just fine. BUT, others do not. Even [Merk admits the vaccine sometimes causes problems.](https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf)(scroll down to page 6) > > And thats the thing about chemicals. They often affect different people different ways. For example some people are allergic to penicillin. Some to nuts. if a doctor prescribes a medicine they can never be 100% sure of the outcome. Allergic reactions to vaccines are a well-known and heavily-researched factor. Which has already been discussed in this thread. They don’t release vaccines to the general public without some thorough testing, and your continued insistence that doctors just go around injecting people without any understanding of what the stuff in the syringes does is baffling. Also: you know what _isn’t_ an allergic reaction to vaccines? **Autism.** > [@](#): > > Also one should not Merk gives [strict guidelines on proper storage and administration of MMR II.](https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf)(on page 8) It makes me wonder what happens when the vaccinations are given by a tired, hurried, and poorly trained nurses. What the flying fuck does that have to do with autism? Do you think that if they jab the needle in the wrong place, it presses a magic autism button? Sure, poorly-maintained or -administered stocks can have negative consequences from the mild to the serious. You know what isn’t one of these? **Autism.** I’m sorry you’re struggling to look for answers for what happened to your child, but this flailing about for dubious connections is not the way to do it. Please don’t let a bunch of anti-vax charlatans sell you a pack of lies. > [@](#): > > I keep wondering why they compare measles, mumps, and chicken pox to polio? I for one had all 3 growing up as did many others kids of the 60’s. Interestingly according to this site, persons born back when measles were common (pre 1957) are considered naturally immune. I had them too. And I survived them. Some children didn’t. I have a friend who has had lifelong health issues caused by having measles as a child; it’s a nasty disease. > [@](#): > > I’d like to also add that getting the MMR does not make you immune to the measles. Even vaccinated people can get it. Yes. We know. It’s already been mentioned in this thread. That’s why keeping the herd immunity high through vaccination is so important. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/193 "2016-06-20T16:42:39Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I keep wondering why they compare measles, mumps, and chicken pox to polio? I for one had all 3 growing up as did many others kids of the 60’s. Interestingly according to [this site](http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2014/04/17/36986/faq-how-you-can-still-get-measles-even-after-being/), persons born back when measles were common (pre 1957) are considered naturally immune. Persons born back then AND WHO MANAGED TO SURVIVE THEM are now immune. Those who did not survive, like for example my grandfather’s youngest sister, are considered dead. That’s how vaccines work: when you get an illness, the body learns “hey, this particular thing is Bad!” and starts creating antibodies for it. Hopefully, the person survives long enough for those to have time to work, and the thing will not mutate so much that the antibodies for one version will be useless against other versions (quick mutations are why there are different flu vaccines every year). A vaccine is bad enough to trigger the antibodies, without being bad enough to give the patient what’s, at worst, an extremely mild case of the illness the vaccine is preventing. And it’s Merck. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/194 "2016-06-20T16:46:45Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I keep wondering why they compare measles, mumps, and chicken pox to polio? I for one had all 3 growing up as did many others kids of the 60’s. Interestingly according to [this site](http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2014/04/17/36986/faq-how-you-can-still-get-measles-even-after-being/), persons born back when measles were common (pre 1957) are considered naturally immune. > > I’d like to also add that getting the MMR does not make you immune to the measles. Even vaccinated people can get it. Here is [an NPR story](http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/04/18/304155213/why-mumps-and-measles-can-spread-even-when-were-vaccinated) on this. In your OP you made five recommendations that people have responded to in this thread. Did you read the responses to those recommendations, and are you sticking with them? If so, why? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/195 "2016-06-20T16:49:01Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Persons born back then AND WHO MANAGED TO SURVIVE THEM are now immune. > > Those who did not survive, like for example my grandfather’s youngest sister, are considered dead. > > That’s how vaccines work: when you get an illness, the body learns “hey, this particular thing is Bad!” and starts creating antibodies for it. Hopefully, the person survives long enough for those to have time to work, and the thing will not mutate so much that the antibodies for one version will be useless against other versions (quick mutations are why there are different flu vaccines every year). A vaccine is bad enough to trigger the antibodies, without being bad enough to give the patient what’s, at worst, an extremely mild case of the illness the vaccine is preventing. > > And it’s Merck. Correction to the underlined part: A vaccine is bad enough to trigger the antibodies, without being bad enough to give the patient more than what is, at worst, an extremely mild case of the illness the vaccine is preventing. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/196 "2016-06-20T17:04:09Z")
From 1989-91 a Measles outbreak hit the US, affecting over 55,662 chlidren and _killing 123_. The Philadelphia region was hardest hit, with over 1500 cases (9 deaths). Southern California had over 12,000 cases and 75 deaths. ALmost all of the cases were unvaccinated, and most Black and Latino as the vaccine was not pushed by doctors in miniroty communities. Doctors pressed for a new vaccination schedule and measles cases dropped until anti-vax idiots came into play. So hey ‘only’ 123 deaths (and un unknown number of hospitalizations), no big deal. I mean back in the 60’s whne you had it it was [no big deal, right?](https://www.google.com/search?q=measles+quarantine+sign&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQqtHQirfNAhWGbiYKHSBnCqQQ_AUICCgB&biw=1600&bih=719) ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/197 "2016-06-20T17:09:59Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Correction to the underlined part: > A vaccine is bad enough to trigger the antibodies, without being bad enough to give the patient more than what is, at worst, an extremely mild case of the illness the vaccine is preventing. The main symptoms for a mild illness are usually immune reactions, anyways–not the illness itself. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/198 "2016-06-20T17:32:02Z")
[QUOTE=Urbanredneck] Also one should not Merk gives [strict guidelines on proper storage and administration of MMR II.](https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf)(on page 8) It makes me wonder what happens when the vaccinations are given by a tired, hurried, and poorly trained nurses. [/QUOTE] If you don’t store or prepare a live virus vaccine properly-- it dies and stops working. That’s why you have to store it in a particular manner. It’s not going to mutate into a gremlin if you don’t follow the instructions perfectly. But you may end up with a vaccine that doesn’t work. My birth control pills come with fives pages of warnings and instructions. All drugs have directions attached to them. They are “strict” because that’s the nature of directions. People write “Tale two pills nightly with food”, not “take between one and thee quarters and three pills. Really, four is fine but five is probably pushing it. We recommend night but if you want to take it in the early afternoon that will work. It might upset some people’s stomach so we recommend taking it with food. But if it doesn’t bug you, you don’t have to eat.” We know exactly what happens when vaccinations are given by tired, hurried and poorly trained nurses. Since basically everyone gets this, we have reams and reams of data covering every possible circumstance. The answer is “not autism.” ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/199 "2016-06-20T17:41:36Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I keep wondering why they compare measles, mumps, and chicken pox to polio? I for one had all 3 growing up as did many others kids of the 60’s. Interestingly according to [this site](http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2014/04/17/36986/faq-how-you-can-still-get-measles-even-after-being/), persons born back when measles were common (pre 1957) are considered naturally immune. Why do you think polio vaccines are good and the rest are bad? Maybe because you admit that the benefit outweighs the cost? And of you actually read all the cites people are giving you you’d realize the benefit outweighs the cost for the other vaccines also. And recovering from chicken pox might not be the end of it. My mother spent the last years of her life, in her 60s, with shingles which came from having chicken pox as a girl. And all these diseases might be relatively mild for most children (but see the quoted death rates) but are dangerous when adults have made it through childhood without them. I never got mumps - when my daughter was born her pediatrician made sure I got a vaccine for it since it could be serious if I got it from her unvaccinated friends. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/200 "2016-06-20T17:46:14Z")
How would you feel if your neighbor came up to and said “I have a feeling the property lines weren’t drawn correctly. The surveyor may have been tired that day. So I own part of your backyard.” Would you shrug and say “hey, he has a feeling”? Would you consult the land records? Suggest maybe he hire another surveyor? Do it yourself? You are suggesting that your feeling is more “true” than all the reams of research that has been done. Because you have an autistic child and saw a movie. Do you think any of the researchers who have found NO LINK may have had autistic children? Do you think the pediatricians who follow the guidelines are wrong, based on your feeling? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420.md?page=11)