# New movie "Vaxxed" reopens discussion about the link between autism and vaccines **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 15, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420 "2016-06-15T13:49:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/321 "2016-06-24T06:03:52Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I succeeded in publicizing the movie and the ideas it brings up. We already knew that shit, are you also planning on informing us that water is wet? ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/322 "2016-06-24T12:43:12Z")
These anti-vaxxers are almost as bad as Holocaust deniers. When presented with cold hard facts, they refuse to believe them. It’s quite fascinating to watch, really, if it weren’t so sad and children were getting sick and dying over preventable diseases. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/323 "2016-06-24T13:06:26Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > These anti-vaxxers are almost as bad as Holocaust deniers. When presented with cold hard facts, they refuse to believe them. > > It’s quite fascinating to watch, really, if it weren’t so sad and children were getting sick and dying over preventable diseases. They’re the same. CTers go whole hog. At least for antivaxers, I wish they could all be prosecuted successfully and spend real time in the hoosegow. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/324 "2016-06-24T13:06:54Z")
He was kinda overt about not really wanting to hear anyone’s view or evidence, was never interested in responding. It was clearly just promoting a movie. (If someone had pulled this kind of stunt with an actual physical product to push, I expect it might not have been let run to this length.) But everybody took the bait. I think the, ‘Why would he come talk were he actually a fraud?’, question, was actually an attempt to go a second round. Seems soooo disingenuous! Just my opinion, of course. I could be wrong about that part! ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/325 "2016-06-24T16:48:35Z")
And as is typical in and thread where women are discussed, our resident village idiot as got to prove he’s still a fucking adolescent. > [@Why are breasts so variable in size?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-breasts-so-variable-in-size/758146/23): > > A bigger question is why do breasts make men act so dumb? Look asshole: it’s in GQ, the mod has already said to knock off the titty jokes and you’re not as fucking clever as you think. My 12-year-old students can make wittier comments. Go back to writing comments on youtube where you belong. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/326 "2016-06-24T17:18:03Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > And as is typical in and thread where women are discussed, our resident village idiot as got to prove he’s still a fucking adolescent. > > Look asshole: it’s in GQ, the mod has already said to knock off the titty jokes and you’re not as fucking clever as you think. My 12-year-old students can make wittier comments. > > Go back to writing comments on youtube where you belong. Oh name calling. So big of you. And you wonder why I dont reply? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/327 "2016-06-24T17:27:38Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Oh name calling. So big of you. And you wonder why I dont reply? No, we don’t wonder at all. We know the reason - you’re an idiot. It isn’t name calling, it’s a simple observation about your cognitive abilities with respect to vaccines and charlatans. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/328 "2016-06-24T17:28:08Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Oh name calling. So big of you. And you wonder why I dont reply? Because you are a lying sack of shit who had no intention of engaging in an honest discussion in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/329 "2016-06-24T17:35:31Z")
My final thoughts. If somebody was to ask me today “Do vaccines cause autism?” I’d say - No. I know, surprising but please read on. Autism is a complex diagnosis and only one part of the [autism spectrum of disorders](http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/autism-spectrum-disorders-asd/index.shtml). I feel that even if my son was not vaccinated he would still be on the spectrum although at a much lesser degree. Also that the massive rise in the rates of children being diagnosed with autism has more to do with how children are diagnosed rather than a single cause (like vaccines). However I have come to the conclusion that getting numerous vaccines all at one time at a critical age for certain children alters the body chemistry and can cause vaccine induced injuries such as physical and mental issues which makes autism much worse. Examples are gastrointestinal disorders that affect brain chemistry. Sort of like how a person can be very run down and weak and that makes catching many diseases more dangerous. So in conclusion I do not feel vaccines in themselves cause autism but can make it much worse. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/330 "2016-06-24T17:54:24Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > So in conclusion I do not feel vaccines in themselves cause autism but can make it much worse. [About your “feelings”…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxhwM06lLUs) ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/331 "2016-06-24T18:07:19Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > However I have come to the conclusion that getting numerous vaccines all at one time at a critical age for certain children alters the body chemistry and can cause vaccine induced injuries such as physical and mental issues which makes autism much worse. Examples are gastrointestinal disorders that affect brain chemistry. Sort of like how a person can be very run down and weak and that makes catching many diseases more dangerous. I know I’m already flogging a deceased equine at this point, but again, what qualifies you to come to this conclusion? (Hint, reading blogs on the internet doesn’t count.) ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/332 "2016-06-24T18:07:24Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > So in conclusion I do not feel vaccines in themselves cause autism but can make it much worse. All the medical studies show that your feelings about vaccines are wrong and dangerous. You aren’t interested in learning why your feelings are wrong and you’ve brought nothing of value to the conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/333 "2016-06-24T18:09:37Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > My final thoughts… If only. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/334 "2016-06-24T18:11:10Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > So in conclusion I do not feel vaccines in themselves cause autism but can make it much worse. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > [About your “feelings”…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxhwM06lLUs) And on that note, **Urbanredneck** just branded himself as a “Feelie” here is Science Writer Peter Hadfield on how your feelings should never be a substitute for science. One only needs to substitute the climate change deniers with anti-vaccers. The feelie system requires: > [@](#): > > 1. An armchair. > 2. Invent a theory from your ponderings made wile sitting down. > 3. Make up your own graph and figures. You see, no evidence or results needed to justify your feelings! And even when they manage to point at some evidence it is clear that the evidence pointed at by the “junk science feelie” is many times contradictory to their point of view. The same tactics and misleading information that ignores evidence and test results is being used by anti vaccine idiots, they are relying on “nothing more that _ **feelings** _”. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/335 "2016-06-24T19:18:53Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Well the movie will probably be in your community soon where you will have a chance to see it yourself and possibly to go to a question and answer session with Dr. Wakefield himself. Why would you bother to ask questions of a person who lies for profit? ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/336 "2016-06-24T19:22:03Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Why would you bother to ask questions of a person who lies for profit? Cross examination? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/337 "2016-06-24T21:34:09Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > My final thoughts. Sure you want your final thoughts to be this stupid? > [@Urbanredneck](#): > > However I have come to the conclusion that getting numerous vaccines all at one time at a critical age for certain children alters the body chemistry and can cause vaccine induced injuries such as physical and mental issues which makes autism much worse. > > So in conclusion I do not feel vaccines in themselves cause autism but can make it much worse. You have based your conclusions on bullshit. Worse, easily debunked bullshit. Let me help. When a scientist _falsifies data_ in a report, then that scientist cannot be trusted about science issues. _Ever again._ Never again can you count on anything this ‘scientist’ has to say. Period, full stop. That person’s integrity is gone. It cannot be gotten back. If a child caretaker is proven to have molested a child, then you can never let that caretaker watch another one of your kids. EVER. Doesn’t matter that they say they have repented their sins or served their time. Would you leave your kids with him\her? Even if this person says the words you want to hear? No. They are forever out of the child care business. Anyone who leaves their child with this person is an idiot. Same with Wakefield. Anyone who listens to him on science matters is an idiot. Which brings us to you. You stroll in with a stupid OP. Nothing wrong with that. Ignorance is not a crime or anything. But lots of folks have brought you truth. They brought facts. They have brought _knowledge_! And you have discounted it. Your ignorance is _willful_. So you are an idiot. Or you are a troll. You are the embodiment of the [Dunning–Kruger effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/338 "2016-06-24T21:48:30Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > I know I’m already flogging a deceased equine at this point, but again, what qualifies you to come to this conclusion? (Hint, reading blogs on the internet doesn’t count.) But…but…he has feeeeeeelings about it! Fuck the actual science and scientists. He has a feeling! ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/339 "2016-06-24T21:59:01Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > I don’t know. I wouldn’t want to catch The Autism. Perhaps a mustard bath and walking through a field of lavender would do the trick. Here’s the thing I’ve never understood about this idiotic bunch of so-called ‘believers in the anti-vax’ movement… if you asked me if I’d rather have a live child with autism versus a dead child with whooping cough / polio / whatever, to would definitely think the answer would be a no-brainer even if there was a link between vaccinations and autism. It just boggles the mind how these morons are going to bring back diseases long eradicated, just because they’re idiots who probably can’t even spell science. I think only two good, if you will, things will come out of all this lunacy: 1.) The next time we have the opportunity to get rid of something deadly with a vaccine, I bet there’ll no longer be any personal exemptions allowed to skip it. And 2.) I pray that anyone who does violate that, will be held responsible and punished as a murderer if their actions results in another’s death. If those things end up being the case, then this bullshit will stop. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420/340 "2016-06-24T22:13:02Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Here’s the thing I’ve never understood about this idiotic bunch of so-called ‘believers in the anti-vax’ movement… if you asked me if I’d rather have a live child with autism versus a dead child with whooping cough / polio / whatever, to would definitely think the answer would be a no-brainer even if there was a link between vaccinations and autism. Presumably, they don’t know anyone who’s died of whooping cough / polio / whatever, so it doesn’t seem like as real a threat to them. People are notoriously bad at judging the relative dangers of different risks via intuition. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-movie-vaxxed-reopens-discussion-about-the-link-between-autism-and-vaccines/757420.md?page=18)