# New NRA Proposal: One Step Beyond? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 26, 2014, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098 "2014-07-26T15:25:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/81 "2014-07-31T16:27:58Z")
You are seriously arguing that comments about a video posted online are supposed to mean something? Have you ever even been to Youtube? ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/82 "2014-07-31T16:29:01Z")
You got whooshed by a video online, **Czarcasm**. It’s happened to me before too. No biggie. Just admit it and move on. Trying to grasp at straws to defend your misunderstanding isn’t a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/83 "2014-07-31T16:32:41Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > You got whooshed by a video online, **Czarcasm**. It’s happened to me before too. No biggie. Just admit it and move on. > > Trying to grasp at straws to defend your misunderstanding isn’t a good idea. No straw grasping here. Just observing the statements of both the supporters and the narrator. Are you saying that both they and _he_ were wooshed also? ---
**Author:** ![PorchePine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@PorchePine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PorchePine)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/84 "2014-07-31T20:27:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No straw grasping here. Just observing the statements of both the supporters and the narrator. Are you saying that both they and _he_ were wooshed also? I think he’s overly found of saying people got wooshed. He claimed I did when I compared this video to the asinine crap PETA pulls. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/85 "2014-07-31T20:38:22Z")
> [@PorchePine](#): > > I think he’s overly found of saying people got wooshed. He claimed I did when I compared this video to the asinine crap PETA pulls. Yeah. What the hell do the words of the narrator have to do with what’s on the video, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/86 "2014-07-31T21:31:57Z")
Anyone with half a brain sees that video for what it is: editorial commentary on the disparity of government & political policy approach to different things in the U.S. Like certain things, not Constitutionally guaranteed/protected, practically being shoved down our throats by the government, while other things, which are Constitutionally guaranteed/protected, [being treated as an ebola outbreak.](http://sunriserounds.com/the-gun-disease/) [Guess what: it’s ain’t.](http://www.suntimes.com/opinions/letters/14160460-474/cdc-exposes-gun-control-myths.html) Trying to make the video in the OP into something it’s not is dishonest, agenda-driven drivel, with all the intellectual and emotional maturity of a five-year old. It’s also what I’ve come to expect from the anti-gunners in general, and our dear, beloved OP in particular. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/87 "2014-07-31T21:43:18Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > Anyone with half a brain sees that video for what it is: editorial commentary on the disparity of government & political policy approach to different things in the U.S. > > Like certain things, not Constitutionally guaranteed/protected, practically being shoved down our throats by the government, while other things, which are Constitutionally guaranteed/protected, [being treated as an ebola outbreak.](http://sunriserounds.com/the-gun-disease/) > > [Guess what: it’s ain’t.](http://www.suntimes.com/opinions/letters/14160460-474/cdc-exposes-gun-control-myths.html) > > Trying to make the video in the OP into something it’s not is dishonest, agenda-driven drivel, with all the intellectual and emotional maturity of a five-year old. > > It’s also what I’ve come to expect from the anti-gunners in general, and our dear, beloved OP in particular. Can we do this without getting personal? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/88 "2014-08-01T10:20:06Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > So, I’m assuming you’re referring to the video. Yep. > [@](#): > > It also seems based on your post that you were taking it too seriously. The actual video, no. The NRA, itself, yes. > [@](#): > > It was very satirical and not meant to be taken literally I’m sure it was satirical. But it wouldn’t be good satire if it wasn’t, in fact, reflecting actual NRA and other gun advocate thinking. Maybe I’m too used to seeing things like libertarian SF which seriously postulates that all-armed societies are the way to go (L. Neil Smith, for instance) and that doesn’t accurately reflect the thinking of the whole open-carry activism movement? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/89 "2014-08-01T11:24:59Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > Anyone with half a brain Are you referring to loss of one hemisphere, or generalized atrophy leading to loss of half? ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/90 "2014-08-01T13:23:00Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Are you referring to loss of one hemisphere, or generalized atrophy leading to loss of half? A little of column A, a little of column B… ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/91 "2014-08-01T14:14:03Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > It’s run by people who are primarily concerned about driving up business for the gun industry. I’m sure Philip Morris would also like us offer smoking classes with cigarettes purchased by sweet, sweet, government money. Yes, the NRA is led by corporations, gun manufacturers, who are legally sociopaths (Their only legal concern is making more money for their shareholders without any concern for human feelings or needs because a corporation has no feelings or understanding of feelings, the very definition of a sociopath.) So the NRA is a bunch of heavily armed people led by sociopaths. Nothing could possibly go wrong there! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/92 "2014-08-01T14:49:42Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Umm, no. Conviction tossed by State Supreme Court, charges dismissed. Pretty much not “a murderer” here in the USA. > > And it has little bearing on this issue. Oh, I dunno. It might be an indicator that the NRA attracts violent, sometimes murderous men the way the Catholic Church attracts pedophiles, and that these men inform its policies. Dowlut surely did. And there’s no denying that Dowlut was a violent man who shot people with guns … there seems to be no dispute about the shooting of Saul Berkowitz or Dowlut’s earlier crime spree with guns. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/93 "2014-08-01T15:17:19Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Yes, the NRA is led by corporations, gun manufacturers, who are legally sociopaths (Their only legal concern is making more money for their shareholders without any concern for human feelings or needs because a corporation has no feelings or understanding of feelings, the very definition of a sociopath.) So the NRA is a bunch of heavily armed people led by sociopaths. Nothing could possibly go wrong there! I see this claim repeated _ad nauseum_, and I’ve never seen a shred of proof that it’s literally true. Show me that the NRA is led, funded or supported by firearms manufacturers, or else you’re as credible as the temperance crusaders who claimed that the “wets” were in the pocket of the distilleries. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/94 "2014-08-01T15:27:01Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I see this claim repeated _ad nauseum_, and I’ve never seen a shred of proof that it’s literally true. Show me that the NRA is led, funded or supported by firearms manufacturers, or else you’re as credible as the temperance crusaders who claimed that the “wets” were in the pocket of the distilleries. Of course it’s not true. If the NRA is all about money, then they really suck at it, since they are tiny and insignificant from that perspective. Microsoft alone spends more money lobbying than the NRA does. Industries like big oil and technology spend orders of magnitude more than the gun rights lobby does. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/95 "2014-08-01T15:28:02Z")
> [@PorchePine](#): > > I think he’s overly found of saying people got wooshed. He claimed I did when I compared this video to the asinine crap PETA pulls. Yes, because the only logical explanation for comparing this video to PETA is if you were whooshed by the video, as **Czarcasm** was. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/96 "2014-08-01T15:44:31Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I see this claim repeated _ad nauseum_, and I’ve never seen a shred of proof that it’s literally true. Show me that the NRA is led, funded or supported by firearms manufacturers, or else you’re as credible as the temperance crusaders who claimed that the “wets” were in the pocket of the distilleries. Well they get _some_ money from the gun industry, don’t they? Just like Naral gets _some_ money from abortion providers; or like how PETA gets \*some[/] money from people who sell vegetarian options to eating meat or wearing fur. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/97 "2014-08-01T15:44:34Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I see this claim repeated _ad nauseum_, and I’ve never seen a shred of proof that it’s literally true. Show me that the NRA is led, funded or supported by firearms manufacturers, or else you’re as credible as the temperance crusaders who claimed that the “wets” were in the pocket of the distilleries. H[ow the gun industry funds the NRA](http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1) [How the gun industry lobby differs from NRA membership](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/11/nra-gun-control-firearms-industry-ties_n_2434142.html) [NRA as a former grassroots group now controlled by industry](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-29/nra-raises-200-million-as-gun-lobby-toasters-burn-logo-on-bread.html) That was easy. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/98 "2014-08-01T15:47:20Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Yes, because the only logical explanation for comparing this video to PETA is if you were whooshed by the video, as **Czarcasm** was. Care to actually respond to what I’ve been saying…or would you rather listen to the wooshing? ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/99 "2014-08-01T15:54:05Z")
Here’s what your cite actually says: > [@](#): > > More than 50 firearms-related companies have given at least $14.8 million to the Fairfax, Virginia-based group, according to the NRA’s own list for a donor program that began in 2005. Wow. That’s a lot of money, even if it’s spread out over many years. I’m sure that’s the majority of the money they get, right? > [@](#): > > Combined, sources such as fundraising, sales, advertising and royalties produced about $115 million in 2010, just over half the NRA’s $227.8 million in income, according to the group’s tax return. Most of the rest, about $100.5 million, came from membership dues. Other sources included program fees, sales of assets, investment income and subscriptions. Whoops. Looks like your cite says that your claim isn’t true at all. In fact most of the NRA’s money doesn’t come from gun manufacturers at all. Did you not read it? ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098/100 "2014-08-01T15:59:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Care to actually respond to what I’ve been saying…or would you rather listen to the wooshing? It’s right there in the OP you wrote. You haven’t backed down from it. You’ve doubled down on it. I’m not making this up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-nra-proposal-one-step-beyond/694098.md?page=6)