# New Pics of 'Hazing' at Abu Ghraib **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 15, 2006, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-pics-of-hazing-at-abu-ghraib/344613 "2006-02-15T10:48:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-pics-of-hazing-at-abu-ghraib/344613/81 "2006-02-22T13:20:49Z")
p.s. please forgive the few typos i’ve seen after posting. i just got up. the crud in my eyes got in the way of the blinky cursor on the screen. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-pics-of-hazing-at-abu-ghraib/344613/82 "2006-02-22T14:18:14Z")
[This](http://salon.com/news/feature/2006/02/16/abu_ghraib/) seems relevant. > [@Salon](#): > > Salon has obtained files and other electronic documents from an internal Army investigation into the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal. The material, which includes more than 1,000 photographs, videos and supporting documents from the Army’s probe, may represent all of the photographic and video evidence that pertains to that investigation. > … > Human-rights and civil-liberties groups have been locked in a legal battle with the Department of Defense since mid-2004, demanding that it release the remaining visual documents from Abu Ghraib in its possession. It is not clear whether the material obtained by Salon is identical to that sought by these groups, although it seems highly likely that it is. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-pics-of-hazing-at-abu-ghraib/344613/83 "2006-02-22T14:32:32Z")
> [@Mr2001](#): > > [This](http://salon.com/news/feature/2006/02/16/abu_ghraib/) seems relevant. yup, i’d say it’s relevant. highly relevant. should we start the debate at this point, or not? i haven’t picked up on whether or not anyone is saying that prisoner abuse HASN’T happened, but apparently it seems that the definitions of “abuse” seem to be muddled. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-pics-of-hazing-at-abu-ghraib/344613/84 "2006-02-22T14:50:26Z")
> [@treis in post #76](#): > > Its not two monkeys doing backflips either. Telling me what its not does not answer the question, “What would you classify [these acts] as?” That question hasn’t been asked in this thread prior to post #76, has it? Your asking it now in the way you did suggests that it has been the question all along. Why is it relevant how they’re classified? Abuse, I suppose. Improper treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-pics-of-hazing-at-abu-ghraib/344613/85 "2006-02-22T14:59:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That question hasn’t been asked in this thread prior to post #76, has it? Your asking it now in the way you did suggests that it has been the question all along. > > Why is it relevant how they’re classified? Abuse, I suppose. Improper treatment. abuse or improper treatment to say the very least. what part of “to twist or turn abnormally; distort: torture a rule to make it fit a case” wasn’t clear in the definition of the word? are you saying that it’s normal to perform such acts upon a prisioner? if so, then wouldn’t that indict the entire system by which we treat inmates? if not, should sodomy by glow stick become the norm? it’s relevant how they’re classified because we need to draw these lines of distinction. (somewhat unrelated, but, aren’t you a lawyer?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-pics-of-hazing-at-abu-ghraib/344613.md?page=4)