# New Prisoner Abuse Photos: Now It's The Navy's Turn **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2004, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053 "2004-12-04T13:11:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/101 "2004-12-06T16:15:20Z")
Heh, it looks like **The truth** can’t handle _us_! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Eliphalet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eliphalet/32/9563_2.png) [@Eliphalet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eliphalet)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/102 "2004-12-06T17:52:23Z")
> [@Sublight](#): > > Or, as seems to be becoming more common, doing as they please with anyone, and then claiming afterwards that it was justified because it was all for the purpose of combating anarchy? More common, or more reported? Police and soldiers have always been brutal, but we have more oversight now of both groups. We’re hearing more & more of what has been going on for centuries. That’s not to say it right, though. Eli ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/103 "2004-12-06T17:56:21Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Heh, it looks like **The truth** can’t handle _us_! > > 😛 In Soviet Russia… no, wait. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Truth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/104 "2004-12-06T18:03:48Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > I’m still waiting for The Truth to tell us why he hasn’t volunteered for Iraq or at least assure us he will do everything in his power to be there if he’s not yet of age. You’ll be waiting a mighty long time, since it is an extremely retarded question, not to mention nobodys business. There’s at least 1,000,000 plausible reasons why somebody is not currently a part of our all volunteer army. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Truth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/105 "2004-12-06T18:05:26Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Heh, it looks like **The truth** can’t handle _us_! > > 😛 Don’t get your hopes up. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Truth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/106 "2004-12-06T18:13:03Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > We don’t want them to all join Al-qaeda. 'Cause there’s like _millions_ of them… The numbers are irrelevant. It’s better to get the enemy out in the open, rather than having people play some silly two-faced game. Let them show their true colors. Are they with us or are they with the savage terrorists ? It’s a simple choice, and it will make things easier for us, from a strategic viewpoint. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/107 "2004-12-06T18:19:22Z")
> [@The Truth](#): > > The numbers are irrelevant. It’s better to get the enemy out in the open, rather than having people play some silly two-faced game. Let them show their true colors. Are they with us or are they with the savage terrorists ? Yes I agree that if all the terrorists came out into the open so we could shoot them, things would be much easier. > [@](#): > > It’s a simple choice, and it will make things easier for us, from a strategic viewpoint. Why would they want to make things easier for us? ---
**Author:** ![Nietzsche](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8dc957/32.png) [@Nietzsche](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nietzsche)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/108 "2004-12-06T18:22:23Z")
> [@The Truth](#): > > You’ll be waiting a mighty long time, since it is an extremely retarded question How so? It sounds like a fair enough question to me. Especially considering how enthusiastic you seem to be about the whole thing. > [@](#): > > There’s at least 1,000,000 plausible reasons why somebody is not currently a part of our all volunteer army. So what’s your excuse? Not tall enough? Mommy didn’t sign your excuse note? I’d guess that it’s because you’re a fucking coward that likes to chant “bring it on” while other people’s lives are the ones on the line and you can sit there like a cheerleading sissy. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Truth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/109 "2004-12-06T18:27:41Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Why would they want to make things easier for us? They of course don’t want to, which is why they need a little added incentive. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Truth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/110 "2004-12-06T18:33:58Z")
> [@Nietzsche](#): > > So what’s your excuse? Not tall enough? Mommy didn’t sign your excuse note? > I’d guess that it’s because you’re a fucking coward that likes to chant “bring it on” while other people’s lives are the ones on the line and you can sit there like a cheerleading sissy. Why, you’ve got me all figured out obviously. I am a 3 foot tall midget who still lives at home with my mommy. Did I mention I still like to breastfeed occasionally ? I’m also confined to a wheelchair and I have 27 toes, so the military turned me down unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/111 "2004-12-06T18:41:19Z")
> [@The Truth](#): > > They of course don’t want to, which is why they need a little added incentive. Seems like we’re only giving them more incentive to make things more difficult for us. ---
**Author:** ![TonyF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@TonyF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonyF)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/112 "2004-12-06T18:42:55Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > It’s what happens when men are let loose with guns without effective structures deciding what their powers should be. If effective and appropriate systems had been in place, it wouldn’t have happened, as it wouldn’t have happened in Abu Ghraib. **Exactly.** > [@The Truth](#): > > Bring it on baby. Are you in Iraq? Are you in the armed forces? Are you going to serve? No? Then kindly put your money where your mouth is or **shut the fuck up**. ---
**Author:** ![Nietzsche](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8dc957/32.png) [@Nietzsche](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nietzsche)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/113 "2004-12-06T18:45:30Z")
> [@The Truth](#): > > I am a 3 foot tall midget who still lives at home with my mommy. Did I mention I still like to breastfeed occasionally ? I’m also confined to a wheelchair and I have 27 toes, so the military turned me down unfortunately. Well, don’t feel too bad. You’ve still got your pom poms and your obnoxious rhetoric. Not quite as exciting as killing innocents, but hey maybe next life. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Truth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/114 "2004-12-06T18:56:29Z")
> [@TonyF](#): > > **Exactly.** > No? Then kindly put your money where your mouth is or **shut the fuck up**. Your attempts at censoring me is at best futile. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/115 "2004-12-06T19:02:43Z")
> [@The Truth](#): > > Your attempts at censoring me is at best futile. You going to respond to any questions or are you going to verbally masterbate all day? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Truth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/116 "2004-12-06T19:05:52Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > You going to respond to any questions or are you going to verbally masterbate all day? I’ve answered a few of your questions already. If you mean why I am not in the military questions, then nope, I don’t reply to rude questions. ---
**Author:** ![TonyF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@TonyF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonyF)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/117 "2004-12-06T19:16:41Z")
> [@The Truth](#): > > Your attempts at censoring me is at best futile. I’m not trying to censor you; I’m trying to keep you from furthering the notion that you’re just a grandstanding chickenhawk, safe and secure behind your computer, willing to send others to do and die for the things you want to see happen. If you want to be that person, then fine. If you’re not - if you actually have something of yours in this fight and stick to your opinion - then feel free to set me straight. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/118 "2004-12-06T19:22:50Z")
This is the stupidest exchange I’ve ever seen here. And that’s saying something. First off, **The Truth** , your opinions don’t seem really well thought out. I support this war, but I’m no cheerleader for it. War is an awful thing to cheer. It is, at best, an unpleasant but necessary task. That said, though, you have a right to your opinions, same as everyone else. Your status as a military member, veteran, or civilian is immaterial to this. And I really don’t like snide insinuations that civilians can’t morally support the war. That doesn’t let you civilians off the hook, you know. You have to evaluate the situation critically, like the rest of us. Now, I’m an honorably discharged veteran, and I still work with the Navy every single day. You folks who say you respect the military should, then, grant this old sailor a very small favor. Knock off the demands that **The Truth** sign up. I haven’t demanded that any of you do so, and we all have the right to a belief honestly held, without overblown accusations of hypocrisy flying about. Got that, **Nietzsche**? **TonyF**? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Truth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/119 "2004-12-06T19:24:17Z")
> [@TonyF](#): > > I’m not trying to censor you; I’m trying to keep you from furthering the notion that you’re just a grandstanding chickenhawk, safe and secure behind your computer, willing to send others to do and die for the things you want to see happen. > > If you want to be that person, then fine. If you’re not - if you actually have something of yours in this fight and stick to your opinion - then feel free to set me straight. It’s quite simple, one does not have to be in the military to be pro-war, or to have an opinion on certain matters. ---
**Author:** ![Nietzsche](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8dc957/32.png) [@Nietzsche](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nietzsche)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2004, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053/120 "2004-12-06T19:49:10Z")
**Mr. Moto** : While I agree that military service is not required to have an opinion on this war, I don’t think that’s what **The Truth** is doing. His mindless cheerleading and gleeful support of the death of innocents is indicative of two things: a) Either he is a homocidal maniac with no regard for human life or b) he is some childish idiot who has never experienced first hand the horrors of war. In either case, this venemous hate-filled pile of monkey spunk deserves to be ruthlessly derided for wishing an increase in hostilites which in no way jeapordizes him and put others in harms way. As you yourself said, war is nothing to cheer. That’s why I think he should quit the verbal support and join in and help the action he finds so endearing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-prisoner-abuse-photos-now-its-the-navys-turn/278053.md?page=7)