# New rule: shut the fuck up about Bush **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2005, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125 "2005-05-16T20:29:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/221 "2005-05-19T14:44:45Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Hah! True that. But I see it hasn’t stopped **Weirdave** from doing so all over this thead. You mean, by continuing in the hijack _you_ helped start? Not the best thing in the world to do, perhaps, but this is a little bit like the pot calling the kettle an implement for heating up liquids. Or do you mean by disagreeing with you? I’m not sure which, since you’d have to be either titanically stupid or so blindly partisan as to amount to the same thing to call either option threadshitting. At any rate, I do normally enjoy **Weirddave** ’s presence, but I wish he hadn’t succumbed to **Clothahump** and **RedFury** ’s partisan wankfest. (Though as usual, it seems **Clothahump** is too much of a coward to try to come back and justify his views.) The spooge of political idiocy is flying at us from right and left, and **Weirddave** would do better to maintain his usual decorum and step out of the crossfire. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/222 "2005-05-19T14:50:07Z")
Not to worry, when I need lessons in self-righteousness, I’ll be sure to look you up…after all, who better to give them than an arrogant, smug, prick such as yourself? Meantime, keep blowing. Hard. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/223 "2005-05-19T14:52:46Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Not to worry, when I need lessons in self-righteousness, I’ll be sure to look you up…after all, who better to give them than an arrogant, smug, prick such as yourself? > > Meantime, keep blowing. Hard. > > Cheers. I’m beginning to see the problem conservatives have with liberals. I beg them to realize that only a small number of them are stupid enough to consider disagreement to inherently be a mark of arrogance. It’s just that fools like this tardling and **rjung** talk so damn much more than the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/224 "2005-05-19T18:02:39Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > At any rate, I do normally enjoy **Weirddave** ’s presence, but I wish he hadn’t succumbed to **Clothahump** and **RedFury** ’s partisan wankfest. (Though as usual, it seems **Clothahump** is too much of a coward to try to come back and justify his views.) The spooge of political idiocy is flying at us from right and left, and **Weirddave** would do better to maintain his usual decorum and step out of the crossfire. You are undoubtedly correct. I just find it hard to fathom people like Red Fury. He thinks a personal blog is an unbiased source of news. Shall I counter with quotes from blogs that are biased the other direction and call it anything other than one man’s opinion? He asks me a question about living in Baghdad, and then sneers that my answer is not true but rather is something I’m saying for ideological reasons. I gave my opinion on dictatorships, and his response is a list of dictators who have enjoyed support from the U.S., many of them back in the bad old days of the cold war. There is no attempt to recognize that just because the U.S. supported a dictator in that political climate that it may or may not do so today, even more basic, there is no attempt to ascertain weather or not I think that supporting those dictators was good policy or not, it’s “Here are dictators that the U.S. has supported, you’re a lying fuck”. It’s a total non-sequitor. It makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/225 "2005-05-19T19:17:12Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > It’s a total non-sequitor. It makes no sense. You and I don’t agree on the war, but I respect the fact that you’ve taken the time and effort to inform yourself and consider the issue, which is more than can be said for **RedFury**. You don’t want to get his oozings on you. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/226 "2005-05-19T19:40:43Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > It’s just that fools like this tardling and **rjung** talk so damn much more than the rest of us. Nobody is stopping you from posting more often, Mr. Dukakus. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/227 "2005-05-19T20:25:57Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > What’s that they say about people living in glass houses? That they shouldn’t throw parties? Thank you. Thank you. I’ll be here all week. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/228 "2005-05-19T23:03:56Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > I’m beginning to see the problem conservatives have with liberals. I beg them to realize that only a small number of them are stupid enough to consider disagreement to inherently be a mark of arrogance. It’s just that fools like this tardling and **rjung** talk so damn much more than the rest of us. Wassa matter, sweetcheeks? Mommy didn’t get you the pointy little hat with “SDMB Jr. Mod” emblazoned across the front? Aawwww… “Embarrased” by “fringe lefties” such as **rjung** and myself? Go buy a personality. * * * > [@Weirdave](#): > > He asks me a question about living in Baghdad, and then sneers that my answer is not true but rather is something I’m saying for ideological reasons Because only an ideologue can seriously argue that Baghdag is safer now than it was prior to the invasion. Duh! ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/229 "2005-05-19T23:16:52Z")
[Iraqi death toll spirals upwards; elections followed by increase in civilian casualties](http://www.iraqbodycount.net/press/) > [@](#): > > On the 2nd anniversary of the Coalition invasion of Iraq, media-reported civilian deaths are approaching 20,000, and the death-rate is spiralling upwards. > > **Data provided on the [http://www.iraqbodycount.net](http://www.iraqbodycount.net) website show that, far from abating, the monthly death rate in 2005 continues to rise, and that the number of media-reported incidents involving the deaths of civilians and captives in the three months to March 2005 [376] is more than double the number for the same months a year ago [140]**… (bolding mine) ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/230 "2005-05-20T00:56:16Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Wassa matter, sweetcheeks? Mommy didn’t get you the pointy little hat with “SDMB Jr. Mod” emblazoned across the front? > > Aawwww… You’re accusing me of junior modding? On what basis? Disliking you is not junior modding, dear. Are you too stupid to figure that out on your own? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/231 "2005-05-20T02:00:50Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > You’re accusing me of junior modding? On what basis? Indeed I am. You’ve repeatedly expressed your desire to shut other people’s voices. To wit – and I’ll only bother with one example (the first), for your hardly worth my time. [Excalibre](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6165357&postcount=45) > [@](#): > > Anyway, I fully support Miller’s rule. I’d love to see every irrelevant political hijack go, but we could get about half of 'em if Miller’s rule was implemented. > > rjung does one thing that’s good, though. **He unites us - Democrat and Republican - behind a common cause. Trying to get him to shut his goddamn** mouth. (my bolding) Now, I’m neither, but who _the fuck are you_ to be speaking on behalf of both parties? I mean, really, who died and made you King of the World? And who the fuck is **Miller** to censor **rjung** , while we’re at it? Answer: Two fuckwits, playing Jar Mods, that’s who. Fact is, if it wasn’t for people like **rjung, Hentor, Elvis, Diogenes, Desmostylus, elucidator, Mr. S** and any number of other hard-core anti-Bush/neocon posters whose names escape me at the moment, I wouldn’t bother to post here at all – not interested in politeness, but in fighting fire with fire. BTW, those are posters that cover the whole spectrum, from the most polite such as **Mr. S** , to the most so-called rabid, like the original subject of this thread, **rjung**. And while I don’t necessarily agree with each and every one of their posts – ah! the advantages of being a “fringe lefty,” no locksteppin’ required. You should try it, it’s liberating – I find that each, in their own unique way, do their utmost in trying to bring down the current regime. And in that, we’re all agreed. No point in cracking alliances, in what I think is one of the most crucial periods in history – certainly in my lifetime. Anyway… From that same post: > [@](#): > > You post countless utterly irrelevant Bush-related hijacks. According to whom? Lemme guess, Mr. Jr Mod himself, aka, high and mighty himself. In short, you’re a fuckin’ conceited know-it-all asshole, who no doubt thinks shits roses for turds. Got news for you, Bubba. I can smell you from here. And it ain’t exactly roses I’m wafting. > [@](#): > > Disliking you is not junior modding, dear. Are you too stupid to figure that out on your own? Who the fuck are you, again? Methinks I’ve stepped on some dog-shit. I shall call it **Excalibre** from now on. There’s something you can be proud of. Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/232 "2005-05-20T03:14:52Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Who the fuck are you, again? Methinks I’ve stepped on some dog-shit. I shall call it **Excalibre** from now on. > > There’s something you can be proud of. > > Cheers! I thought about pointing out the many ridiculous lies you told about me in your post, but I think this bit right here captures your attitude so well that really, there’s no longer any point in saying anything insulting about you. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/233 "2005-05-20T04:47:48Z")
> [@](#): > > What’s that they say about people living in glass houses? > [@](#): > > **Starving Artist** That they shouldn’t throw parties? Judging from **Hentor’s** response, I was thinking they shouldn’t throw _potties_. > [@](#): > > **Hentor** : rjung sucks the sweat off of George Bush’s lying nutsack. Point of clarification: H. or W.? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/234 "2005-05-20T11:20:48Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Judging from **Hentor’s** response, I was thinking they shouldn’t throw _potties_. > > Point of clarification: H. or W.? You mean he gave each one an initial? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/235 "2005-05-20T21:44:51Z")
[Bad week in Iraq](http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20050520-095154-2737r) BTW, can anyone remember a “good one”? > [@](#): > > CENTCOM commander Gen. John Abizaid, who directs all U.S. military forces in the Middle East, admitted in a Washington briefing that progress in training the new Iraqi security forces and making them an effective element in fighting the insurgency had been “disappointing,” the New York Times reported Thursday. > > \*\*The paper also noted the admission of a senior U.S. officer in Baghdad that there had been almost as many car-bomb attacks in the city in the past month – 21 – than in the whole of 2004, when they totaled 25. \*\* (my bolding) Bah! Who’d listen to that well-known fringe lefty, Gen Abizaid, anyway? Book them tickets ASAP! ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/236 "2005-05-20T22:56:03Z")
I’m curious how long **RedFury** ’s attempt to cement this hijack into a bash-Bush thread will continue. It really shows the respect he has and acknowledgement of the power Bush has as such a strong leader. Of course, this will earn an insult or two from **Red** and **Hentor**. Both claiming it’s wrong to disagree with anyone not parroting their shrill whining. But I’d have to respect the opinion maker before letting some childish comment get to me. As far as **rjung** is concerned, I don’t think we agree on a single political point. I can’t really nail him on his hijack attemps, as I’m guilty of the same. Or maybe I haven’t seen enough of them, not sure. In any case, even if I disagree with him, it’s usually kind of entertaining and he doesn’t start insulting insults toward me until at least the second post. For that, I have to respect his restraint and occasional reasonableness. Unlike 2 other Dopers that just jump in with the first insult they can think of. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/237 "2005-05-20T22:59:10Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > I’m curious how long **RedFury** ’s attempt to cement this hijack into a bash-Bush thread will continue. It really shows the respect he has and acknowledgement of the power Bush has as such a strong leader. 😕 What does this even mean? ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/238 "2005-05-20T23:26:35Z")
Not sure, the Vicodan is kicking in. I may have to clarify later. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2005, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/239 "2005-05-21T23:03:23Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Not sure, the Vicodan is kicking in. I may have to clarify later. Don’t bother. Vicodan, Kool-Aid, sober, it’s all the same. You remain a freeper echo chamber. Meantime, here’s some more travel info on current conditions in Baghdad for those that are willing to move there “in a heartbeat.” [The City Morgue](http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/international/middleeast/20bodies.html?hp) (NYT, registration required) > [@](#): > > BAGHDAD, Iraq, May 19 - A small window in the city morgue is the last hope for people looking for their dead. Holding photographs of the missing, they peer through it to a computer screen where a worker flashes pictures of all the bodies no one has claimed. In Baghdad these days it can be a lengthy process. > > As the pace and intensity of the violence here increases, it is growing ever more difficult to match the missing with the dead. Car bombs explode, creating circles of chaos and mutilated bodies that often take days to sort out. Kidnappings punch holes in families for months. > > Bodies, old and new, turn up daily. On Sunday alone, the authorities in Baghdad and three other cities found 46. Some of those found that day were buried in a Baghdad garbage dump. Others were discovered on a poultry farm south of here. Their tied hands and broken bodies are their most distinguishing features. > > So people go to the window for answers. > > “Every day people come to me,” said Ahmed Ali, an Interior Ministry worker who displays the photographs. "I listen to their stories. People are in pain. They say: ‘We know he’s dead. We just want to bury him.’ " Nearly idyllic conditions for a relocation. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2005, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/240 "2005-05-21T23:05:42Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Don’t bother. Vicodan, Kool-Aid, sober, it’s all the same. You remain a freeper echo chamber. Wow, more proof. Yet again anytime you respond to me it’s yet another childish attempt at a dig. You’re pure comedy **RedFury** , just lacking the wit, humor and base intelligence. Keep trying punk, you’re so cute when you’re you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125.md?page=13)