# New rule: shut the fuck up about Bush **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2005, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125 "2005-05-16T20:29:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/121 "2005-05-17T18:08:59Z")
First rule of BushCo: don’t talk about BushCo. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/122 "2005-05-17T18:12:11Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Your wish is not my command. And it _is_ a rather common [Net term](http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=acronym+%2B+MSM). You’re aware, of course, in the the search results you linked, a large percentage of the hits **are not** using MSM as short-hand for Main Stream Media, right? They’re using just as Excalibre describes. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/123 "2005-05-17T18:12:20Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Deliberately posing stuff in order to stir up trouble - we should come up with a name for that! We could call it milroyjing. Whatta think o’ that? :insert straight face smiley here: ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/124 "2005-05-17T18:15:13Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > (my underscore) > > Funny, for I think that folks like **Bricker, duffer** and **Shodan** would disagree with you on this one. Sadly, going by your last electoral results, I’d have to disagree with you as well. > > However, my attempted point in that post wasn’t about Bush himself, but rather the way your infamous “liberal media” has taken on the role of a wet-nurse in so far as what you can and can’t see coming out of Iraq. They’re _gay?_ Shit, I had no idea. Who’s up for a foursome, boys? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/125 "2005-05-17T18:15:24Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Interesting. I imagine the smiley was intended to convey that he didn’t really mean what he posted, and he did state specifically that he was posting in order to annoy another poster, who he mentioned by name. > > Deliberately posing stuff in order to stir up trouble - we should come up with a name for that! We don’t need a name for posting what one believes. OTOH, we do have a rule against trying to hint that another poster is trolling. Given that the information and opinions in his OP are consistent with other threads he has started, that he (indirectly) cited legitimate news sources, and that he returned to the thread to defend his thesis, I see no evidence for your claim that “he didn’t really mean what he posted” so your inference is without foundation. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/126 "2005-05-17T18:16:10Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Failed attempt at humor or a a hieroglyphic ? Nope! Daniel ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/127 "2005-05-17T18:18:06Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > You’re aware, of course, in the the search results you linked, a large percentage of the hits **are not** using MSM as short-hand for Main Stream Media, right? They’re using just as Excalibre describes. No, I was not, for I didn’t go past the first page which appears to support my point. Having said that, both Excalibre and myself have learned a new meaning for the acronym at hand which fits rather nicely with one of my favorite mottos: learn something new everyday. Thus I fail to see the relevance of continuing down this particular line of quibbling. Thanks all the same for bringing it up to my attention. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/128 "2005-05-17T18:22:33Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Nope! > Daniel Just got it. And it was actually a pretty good quip. Dipped in batter and fried I should be. :o ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/129 "2005-05-17T19:00:25Z")
> [@](#): > > No, I was not, for I didn’t go past the first page which appears to support my point. What, you getting only three hits per page? The fourth one says quite clearly “However, there MSM stands for ‘Men having Sex with Men’ …” Maybe this **is** quibbling down the sideline fo this _particular_ argument, but a person who’s posting a link supporting his argument, really should have some idea what is contained in that link. And that’s something applicable to the SDMB in general. And in any case this entire thread seems to now be headed down some sideline into oblivion. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/130 "2005-05-17T19:06:41Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > in any case this entire thread seems to now be headed down some sideline into oblivion. Not unlike Bush’s America. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/131 "2005-05-17T19:07:28Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > [Bush apologist](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3661134.stm) make [me ill (mod note: graphic photos --Giraffe)](http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm). 1. When did Kofi Annan become the arbiter of what is and is not illegal? 2. Assuming for a moment that he was, why hasn’t the U.S. been branded an outlaw nation, then? 3. What do pictures of what almost everyone already knows, namely that war is a dirty, messy, destructive thing, killing and maiming thousands of people, have to do with the first two points? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/132 "2005-05-17T19:14:14Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Not unlike Bush’s America. 😉 Okay, _that_ was funny. **Redfury** , no worries on not getting my joke; I realized after I posted it that wasn’t exactly written in crystalline prose. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/133 "2005-05-17T19:32:27Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > It also looked like attempted humor to me, but I thought the timing was off, the humor was strained, and the probability of cross-posted sniping was too high at this time. I defer to the wisdom of our even-handed mods (and I will gladly say, without any attempt at ass-kissing, that **tomndebb** is one of the most objective mods on the boards). I was considering restarting the thread with a less “provocative” opening, but given that people are having enough fun with _this_ thread, feel they don’t need the additional fuel. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/134 "2005-05-17T19:36:26Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > 1. What do pictures of what almost everyone already knows, namely that war is a dirty, messy, destructive thing, killing and maiming thousands of people, have to do with the first two points? Yeah - whether the war is illegal or not, it’s not going to be pretty. Incidentally, neither was Saddam’s use of nerve gas on the Kurds. Oh my Christ. I’m turning into a Republican as we speak! ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/135 "2005-05-17T19:53:10Z")
> [@LoHD](#): > > Okay, _that_ was funny. Yes, it was. Oh my Christ. I’m turning into a Democrat as we speak! ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/136 "2005-05-17T20:25:34Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > What, you getting only three hits per page? 1280 x 1024 res. Average of ten hits per. > [@](#): > > The fourth one says quite clearly “However, there MSM stands for ‘Men having Sex with Men’ …” There’s irony aplenty to be had here. See, the reason it says that is due to the search terms I used (acronym + MSM) – it’s highlighting _a post to that blog that questions the use of the term by the blogger_. The blogger him/herself is using the acronym, MSM, as I did! > [@](#): > > Maybe this **is** quibbling down the sideline fo this _particular_ argument, but a person who’s posting a link supporting his argument, really should have some idea what is contained in that link. And that’s something applicable to the SDMB in general. Fair enough. Let’s look back at my original claim: > [@Red](#): > > Your wish is not my command.\* And it is a rather common Net term\*. (my italics) **Six out the ten hits** on the first page support said claim, would you not agree? Mind you, had I chosen to narrow down my search terms a bit more, like for instance [MSM + mainstream media + acronym](http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=MSM+%2B+mainstream+media), well, what do you know…all ten hits use it like fashion! You’re now welcomed to go check the other aprox 13,990 and come back to quibble some more 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/137 "2005-05-17T20:32:35Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > 1. When did Kofi Annan become the arbiter of what is and is not illegal? International Law. The UN. The USA, a member of the latter and a signatory of treaties promising to obey the former. Bet you can figure out the rest. > [@](#): > > 1. Assuming for a moment that he was, why hasn’t the U.S. been branded an outlaw nation, then? Because you have the biggest guns. Might makes right, didn’t ya know? > [@](#): > > 1. What do pictures of what almost everyone already knows, namely that war is a dirty, messy, destructive thing, killing and maiming thousands of people, have to do with the first two points? Because, had your Gov chosen to abide by its promises, most of those people would be alive today. Say, how high can you count? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/138 "2005-05-17T20:34:17Z")
New rule: shut the fuck up about MSM! Daniel ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/139 "2005-05-17T20:41:22Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > **Redfury** , no worries on not getting my joke; I realized after I posted it that wasn’t exactly written in crystalline prose. Prose was fine. My confusion stemmed from the two different usages of the MSM acronym – in the context in which I wrote it, your post made no sense. See **UncleBeer** for additional help with this. Or blame the Gay Agenda 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125/140 "2005-05-17T20:59:24Z")
Earlier in this thread, I partially defended rjung, and partially said he was “bush-bashing” too much. Now that I look over his posts more, I see that for one thing, the person who’s threads he was posting on is not the nicest of people, and furthermore, there is no such thing as **“too much bush-bashing!”** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rule-shut-the-fuck-up-about-bush/304125.md?page=8)