# New sexual assault allegation against Justice Kavanaugh **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 15, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241 "2019-09-15T01:28:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/181 "2019-09-17T19:03:00Z")
His performance left much to be desired in terms of character and temperament, not only as a judge of the highest court in the land, but as a person you’d want to have a beer with. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/182 "2019-09-17T20:08:34Z")
I’d _LOVE_ to have a beer with him (if I drank) ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/183 "2019-09-17T20:10:08Z")
The bias here makes it impossible to parse through all this. If he was impeached…it would be for perjury yes? What new info has come to light that would lead to that conclusion? As far as I know…“I saw some dudes push his penis into a womans hand” isn’t relative to his testimony a year ago. and if it is, please. Enlighten me. You know…fight my ignorance and all that. Because its IMPOSSIBLE nowadays to find an unbiased news source. Even fucking Snopes these days says “Factually incorrect but morally correct”…jackasses. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/184 "2019-09-17T20:10:38Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I take this to mean that your position is that an investigation is not necessary because there is no there there. (?) > > But if there is no there there, an investigation would make that conclusion. > > Would it not be in the interest of the public, the accused, the administration and the institution of the SCOTUS, to have the investigation and finally put this to rest? > > Even an inconclusive result based on all due diligence could be claimed as such, underscoring the importance of the presumption of innocence. There already _WAS_ an investigation, and it concluded that there was no there there. What you’re asking for now is _another_ investigation, and I have little doubt this wouldn’t be a repeating cycle for Democrats: 1. Have an investigation 2. Find no corroboration 3. Declare previous investigation a sham and call for another one. Return to Step 1. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/185 "2019-09-17T20:11:15Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’d _LOVE_ to have a beer with him (if I drank) What would your cool nickname be in his circle? The Caner? Dirty Ditka? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/186 "2019-09-17T20:50:40Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > 1. Find no corroboration What is it with Kavanaugh supporters and the word ‘corroboration’? We found corroboration back in October. We learned of new corroborating evidence just this week. Saying ‘no corroboration’ over and over again doesn’t magically make the corroboration disappear. I don’t know what word you’re looking for, but it isn’t ‘corroboration’. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/187 "2019-09-17T20:59:48Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’d _LOVE_ to have a beer with him (if I drank) Well, he really likes beer. I guess you can be designated driver, and in charge of making sure he keeps his pants on. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > There already _WAS_ an investigation, and it concluded that there was no there there. What you’re asking for now is _another_ investigation, and I have little doubt this wouldn’t be a repeating cycle for Democrats: > > 1. Have an investigation > 2. Find no corroboration > 3. Declare previous investigation a sham and call for another one. Return to Step 1. Okay. That’s one “No” vote for a more thorough investigation. You have shocked and surprised me at every turn today. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/188 "2019-09-17T21:02:38Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > What is it with Kavanaugh supporters and the word ‘corroboration’? We found corroboration back in October. We learned of new corroborating evidence just this week. Saying ‘no corroboration’ over and over again doesn’t magically make the corroboration disappear. > > I don’t know what word you’re looking for, but it isn’t ‘corroboration’. I remember your attempt to change the definition of “corroboration” to mean something it doesn’t. It was unpersuasive then, and it remains so now. Keep clinging to it though - maybe that will be the break needed to impeach Kavanaugh! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/189 "2019-09-17T21:09:20Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > There already _WAS_ an investigation, and it concluded that there was no there there. It was \*ordered \*not to do anything that would result in any other conclusion. You do remember that, don’t you? > [@](#): > > What you’re asking for now is _another_ investigation No, the first one, really. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/190 "2019-09-17T21:13:43Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I remember your attempt to change the definition of “corroboration” to mean something it doesn’t. It was unpersuasive then, and it remains so now. Keep clinging to it though - maybe that will be the break needed to impeach Kavanaugh! I remember putting in a great deal of effort into finding a mutually agreeable definition of corroboration, and succeeding in doing so as a necessary first step in establishing that there was, in fact, a great deal of corroboration. As fun as that was, I don’t plan on doing that again in this thread. Your claim that I attempted to change the definition of corroboration is absurd. I put the definition out there and several Kavanaugh supporters, including a moderator named **Bone** I believe, agreed that the definition was fair and accurate and good a jumping off point for a discussion. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/191 "2019-09-17T21:14:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It was \*ordered \*not to do anything that would result in any other conclusion. You do remember that, don’t you? … You made a similar claim earlier in this thread. Here was our exchange then: > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Should I file this under the growing stack of accusations made without supporting evidence? > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You know why not. :rolleyes: I see no reason to change the classification of your assertion with you repeating it here, again without any citation or supporting evidence. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/192 "2019-09-17T21:20:49Z")
Not playing this game with you, friend. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/193 "2019-09-17T21:34:47Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Not playing this game with you, friend. I suppose if you don’t have any cites, the only way to win is not to play. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/194 "2019-09-17T21:36:20Z")
Here’s some Bone quotes from the previous, extremely tedious, corroboration argument. > [@How is someone like Christine Ford supposed to prove her case?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/343): > > What do you think is being corroborated? Just assume everyone shares your definition of the word. A corroborates B. Substitute the variables and make a statement. > [@How is someone like Christine Ford supposed to prove her case?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-someone-like-christine-ford-supposed-to-prove-her-case/824383/345): > > Fine. Stipulated. What else do you have in the metric fuck ton? Your memories of me trying to change the definition of corroboration are inaccurate. No big deal. It happens. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/195 "2019-09-17T21:49:57Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Here’s some Bone quotes from the previous, extremely tedious, corroboration argument. > > Your memories of me trying to change the definition of corroboration are inaccurate. No big deal. It happens. It is to laugh. Like, it’s just so poor the quality of argument you’re offering. You thought unrelated items corroborated each other because they were similar allegations. What you quote is a stipulation arguendo so you could make your extremely tedious and wrongheaded, incorrect, laughably bad assertion that no one took seriously. Saying the sky is purple had more relation to reality than your assertions. So horribly bad I’m surprised you want to bring it up. But good job linking to it, readers can decide for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/196 "2019-09-17T21:53:07Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > It is to laugh. Like, it’s just so poor the quality of argument you’re offering. You thought unrelated items corroborated each other because they were similar allegations. What you quote is a stipulation arguendo so you could make your extremely tedious and wrongheaded, incorrect, laughably bad assertion that no one took seriously. Saying the sky is purple had more relation to reality than your assertions. So horribly bad I’m surprised you want to bring it up. > > But good job linking to it, readers can decide for themselves. This is not your previous claim. You said, ‘I remember your attempt to change the definition of “corroboration” to mean something it doesn’t.’ That didn’t happen. You made a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/197 "2019-09-17T21:56:24Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It was \*ordered \*not to do anything that would result in any other conclusion. You do remember that, don’t you? > > No, the first one, really. This is the part where I lose any and all sympathy and good faith with this argument. A big part of the Kavanaugh bombshell was that some 25 witnesses did, in fact, come forward to offer testimony to the FBI, and the FBI turned them away. Anyone willing to call it an honest investigation at that point is being ridiculous. The FBI did not investigate Kavanaugh in any meaningful way. If they were trying to investigate him, they might have done things like “take statements from witnesses”, of which there were literally dozens. But they didn’t. It was a whitewash. And it’s _really really obvious_ that it was a whitewash. I cannot take anyone who would argue that it was a serious investigation at this point seriously. Also, not to butt in on that stimulating conversation between Lance and Bone, but [Vox also calls it “corroboration”](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/15/20866863/brett-kavanaugh-new-sexual-misconduct-allegation-deborah-ramirez-max-stier). ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/198 "2019-09-17T21:58:59Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Also, not to butt in on that stimulating conversation between Lance and Bone, but [Vox also calls it “corroboration”](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/15/20866863/brett-kavanaugh-new-sexual-misconduct-allegation-deborah-ramirez-max-stier). Of course they do. That very straightforwardly follows from the definition of the word. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/199 "2019-09-17T22:25:50Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > This is not your previous claim. You said, ‘I remember your attempt to change the definition of “corroboration” to mean something it doesn’t.’ That didn’t happen. You made a mistake. Cool story, bro. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/200 "2019-09-17T23:15:36Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > …A big part of the Kavanaugh bombshell was that some 25 witnesses did, in fact, come forward to offer testimony to the FBI, and the FBI turned them away. Anyone willing to call it an honest investigation at that point is being ridiculous. The FBI did not investigate Kavanaugh in any meaningful way. If they were trying to investigate him, they might have done things like “take statements from witnesses”, of which there were literally dozens. But they didn’t. It was a whitewash. And it’s _really really obvious_ that it was a whitewash. I cannot take anyone who would argue that it was a serious investigation at this point seriously. … Yes, this. And it’s reasonable to want to know precisely _who_ was responsible for the obvious limitations put on that “investigation.” Who gave the orders, and when? These are legitimate topics for scrutiny. As for Democrats allegedly risking losing voters due to outrage that impeachment proceedings against Kavanaugh might be instituted: most people are aware that American voters did NOT put Kavanaugh into office, and thus they are unlikely to be upset that Congress is attempting to remove him from office. (Should that occur.) This is how a Kavanaugh impeachment effort would fundamentally differ from a Trump impeachment effort. There is no “will of the people” element that oould inspire resentment against a Congress that tried to intervene. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241.md?page=11)