# New sexual assault allegation against Justice Kavanaugh **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 15, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241 "2019-09-15T01:28:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/221 "2019-09-18T18:52:59Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > … I am saying this should perhaps be investigated. … Who would you want to investigate that? The FBI? There’s no federal crime there. The state / local police? There’s no police report, even if the acts amounted to a crime, which it’s not clear they did, and if the statute of limitations hasn’t passed, which I’d be pretty surprised. The supposed victim apparently doesn’t recall it. Max Stier doesn’t want to discuss it. We don’t even know who the anonymous “officials” are that the authors’ claim as their source. You think it’s a good use of the authority’s time to investigate decades-old rumors of something that might not even be a crime from a drunken dorm party? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/222 "2019-09-18T19:02:14Z")
The cover-up “investigation” was by the FBI the \*last \*time. You really _weren’t_ paying attention, were you? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/223 "2019-09-18T19:09:37Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > The FBI? There’s no federal crime there. The FBI has investigated my background with respect to my suitability for a position of trust with the U.S. Government. I would generally expect that they should do a good and thorough job in that mission, even if it isn’t for the purposes of prosecuting me for a crime. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/224 "2019-09-18T19:37:57Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > The FBI has investigated my background with respect to my suitability for a position of trust with the U.S. Government. I would generally expect that they should do a good and thorough job in that mission, even if it isn’t for the purposes of prosecuting me for a crime. Sure, and they investigated Justice Kavanaugh for that same purpose. He’s now been given that “position of trust” and is no longer under consideration for one. What purpose would another FBI investigation serve at this point? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/225 "2019-09-18T19:42:50Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > That seems overly narrow. Don’t you want to know why the FBI didn’t talk to these people? Don’t you want to know if Kavanaugh lied (he denies that anything remotely like this occurred, after all)? Neither of those necessarily depend on finding the exact truth of what happened 30+ years ago. If you want to know why the FBI didn’t interview them, can’t we just ask them? Or do you want an investigation of the investigation? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/226 "2019-09-18T19:44:39Z")
Lying to congress is a federal crime. And not a 30 year old crime. Just under a year old. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/227 "2019-09-18T19:58:15Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > From my link: > > I am saying this should perhaps be investigated. Thanks for pointing out to me the Ramirez details. If a crime was alleged to have been committed, then yes, it should be investigated. She should go file a police report with the college, or the town where they were at when the crime was committed. But the FBI? What federal crime was committed? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/228 "2019-09-18T20:05:55Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Lying to congress is a federal crime. > [@Kearsen1](#): > > But the FBI? What federal crime was committed? Looks like this question has been answered ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/229 "2019-09-18T20:10:34Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > If you want to know why the FBI didn’t interview them, can’t we just ask them? Or do you want an investigation of the investigation? The way “we just ask them” is to have our congressional representatives do so, no? I suppose I could call them up and ask for answers, but I doubt they’ll put through my call. That kind of inquiry by an appropriate committee certainly seems like a good place to start to me. Obviously, whether more would be needed on that front depends on their answers and how forthcoming they are. I rather suspect that they did such a cursory investigation for political reasons so as not to become entangled in a high-profile partisan fight. But I kinda doubt they will say that. So we might need to dig a little. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/230 "2019-09-18T20:19:49Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Looks like this question has been answered So the real question is about whether or not he lied to Congress? And whether or not that in itself is deserving of an FBI investigation. I think we are now off the beaten path of trying to get justice for this poor woman and more along the path of it being a witch hunt for political gain. (Which is where I figured we’d end up …) ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/231 "2019-09-18T20:24:48Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > So the real question is about whether or not he lied to Congress? And whether or not that in itself is deserving of an FBI investigation. > > I think we are now off the beaten path of trying to get justice for this poor woman and more along the path of it being a witch hunt for political gain. (Which is where I figured we’d end up …) Whitewater Benghazi Her Emails All of a sudden the Right is worried about witch hunts for political gain? That is quite a turnaround indeed! I’m glad the next Democratic administration will not have to worry about such things. A big relief, that is! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/232 "2019-09-18T20:31:02Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > So the real question is about whether or not he lied to Congress? It certainly is a real question whether he lied to Congress, which you will agree is a federal crime? > [@](#): > > it being a witch hunt for political gain. (Which is where I figured we’d end up …) I would think that if there’s strong evidence of someone having committed a serious federal crime, that crime should be investigated. It would be less of a witch hunt and more of a criminal investigation, which I would think would be the appropriate role of some sort of investigative agency. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/233 "2019-09-18T20:32:54Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > … if there’s strong evidence of someone having committed a serious federal crime… But there’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/234 "2019-09-18T20:36:33Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > But there’s not. Indeed ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/235 "2019-09-18T20:36:41Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > But there’s not. But there is… ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/236 "2019-09-18T20:37:18Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Who would you want to investigate that? The FBI? There’s no federal crime there. The state / local police? There’s no police report, even if the acts amounted to a crime, which it’s not clear they did, and if the statute of limitations hasn’t passed, which I’d be pretty surprised. The supposed victim apparently doesn’t recall it. Max Stier doesn’t want to discuss it. We don’t even know who the anonymous “officials” are that the authors’ claim as their source. You think it’s a good use of the authority’s time to investigate decades-old rumors of something that might not even be a crime from a drunken dorm party? As I said: “That way, it could be determined if perhaps Kavanaugh should be impeached…” There doesn’t have to be a federal crime needing investigation to start impeachment proceedings against Kavanaugh. So as to who I’d want to investigate something, why don’t you tell me who is most appropriate. Makes no never mind to me, as long as it’s thorough this time. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/237 "2019-09-18T20:37:46Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Whitewater > Benghazi > Her Emails > > All of a sudden the Right is worried about witch hunts for political gain? That is quite a turnaround indeed! I’m glad the next Democratic administration will not have to worry about such things. A big relief, that is! I hate to say it, but with Benghazi, there was a mistake made. (failure to provide sufficient military support). There was a department responsible for the mistake. There were official federal documents and a communication chain and a chain of responsibility. It was pretty clear, in writing, who knew what when, and who was responsible for what. (as I recall Clinton was never party to this decision and was only theoretically responsible) The emails were actual computer records that could be inspected. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/238 "2019-09-18T20:38:01Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Indeed Certainly if you ignore all the evidence there isn’t any evidence. Checkmate I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/239 "2019-09-18T20:38:21Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Whitewater > Benghazi > Her Emails > > All of a sudden the Right is worried about witch hunts for political gain? That is quite a turnaround indeed! I’m glad the next Democratic administration will not have to worry about such things. A big relief, that is! And here I thought this was about justice for the poor sexually assaulted woman Relief indeed! ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/240 "2019-09-18T20:38:21Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > But there is… What, in your mind, is the “strong evidence” that Justice Kavanaugh lied to Congress? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241.md?page=13)