# New sexual assault allegation against Justice Kavanaugh **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 15, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241 "2019-09-15T01:28:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/21 "2019-09-15T13:40:09Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > It’s exactly the nightmare scenario we guys have been warning about, right? You’re at a party with your pants around your ankles, you and your exposed penis innocently minding your own business, and then out of the blue you get accused of improper behavior… Kavanaugh: I was the victim of sexual assault! Cop: Oh yeah? What were you wearing? Kavanaugh: Uhhhhh… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/22 "2019-09-15T13:41:39Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > The real justice may be long in coming but Kavanaugh will have to face it eventually. He has two daughters. Oh, man. When your justice fantasy involves a woman getting raped, that’s fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/23 "2019-09-15T13:58:34Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > … Anyways, as is the typical pattern, the message here is simple: _believe women_. Take these accusations seriously. Do not ignore them because the evidence isn’t strong enough for a criminal conviction. Now this guy is essentially above the law in his position, so there’s little to no action that can be taken. What woman? This story isn’t even being told by a woman, it’s being told by a man. If the purported victim comes forward, we can examine the evidence she presents then, but even that much hasn’t happened in this case. We’ve got a rumor from some guy without any corroboration or evidence, and only the vaguest description of what happened. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/24 "2019-09-15T14:05:08Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > What woman? This story isn’t even being told by a woman, it’s being told by a man. If the purported victim comes forward, we can examine the evidence . . . What? It’s being reported by two women (in the NYT). And the “purported” victim did come forward, as did 25 other witnesses, although the evidence was hardly examined. What exactly is your point? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/25 "2019-09-15T14:43:37Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Some guys pushed his penis into some lady’s face and…that’s on him? > :dubious::smack: A gentleman does not have his penis out where it might be pushed into the face of a lady. Is it surprising that a confessed sexual predator would nominate another serial sexual predator to the Supreme Court? Is it surprising that Republicans would turn a blind eye to old evidence and new evidence as long as they get someone on the Supreme Court to let them gut regulations and who believes that embryos deserve protection under the law but schoolchildren should fear being gunned down? Is it surprising that the FBI under a lawless Department of Justice should fail to investigate credible claims of sexual assault? Not to anyone who’s been awake for the past 2 1/2 years. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/26 "2019-09-15T16:25:32Z")
They had no problem overlooking corroborated evidence that Bret Kavanaugh sexually assaulted women last week. They’ll have no problem overlooking corroborated evidence that Bret Kavanaugh sexually assaulted women next week. They had no problem overlooking obvious lies told by Bret Kavanaugh in his confirmation hearing last week. They’ll have no problem overlooking obvious lies told by Bret Kavanaugh in his confirmation hearing next week. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/27 "2019-09-15T16:31:14Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > What? > > It’s being reported by two women (in the NYT). And the “purported” victim did come forward, as did 25 other witnesses, although the evidence was hardly examined. What exactly is your point? You’re talking about Deborah “can’t-be-sure-it-was-Kavanaugh” Ramirez, not the story being told by Max Stier? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/28 "2019-09-15T16:42:13Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You’re talking about Deborah “can’t-be-sure-it-was-Kavanaugh” Ramirez, not the story being told by Max Stier? The story being told by Max Stier appears in the 9th paragraph of a NYT article about Kavanaugh’s sexual assault of Deborah Ramirez. It’s weird that you’re focusing on that. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/29 "2019-09-15T16:46:07Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > The story being told by Max Stier appears in the 9th paragraph of a NYT article about Kavanaugh’s sexual assault of Deborah Ramirez. It’s weird that you’re focusing on that. It’s the story quoted in the OP. Why is it weird that I’m focusing on that? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/30 "2019-09-15T16:50:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > My question is really aimed at people who actually think sexual assault and rape are terrible things that society should be heavily focused on fighting, not those who have repeatedly and gleefully defended accused and admitted sexual abusers. Your OP asked “Still okay with him on the SCOTUS?” That’s presumably a question directed at people who were originally “okay with him on the SCOTUS”, and not the crowd that never was. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/31 "2019-09-15T16:53:01Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > He decided his viewpoint just after reading the R. > > That is the only letter that matters in the story. Of course he didn’t read anything else. He might find out stuff he doesn’t like. > > The people who support Trump because of the judges will go to amazing lengths to avoid cognitive dissonance when they suspect those are scum as well. Spot on except that I don’t think they get as far as suspecting anybody they’ve supported is scum. That cognitive dissonance is pretty powerful stuff. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/32 "2019-09-15T16:59:57Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > Spot on except that I don’t think they get as far as suspecting anybody they’ve supported is scum. That cognitive dissonance is pretty powerful stuff. I’m not sure if it’s even that. I suspect many of these folks just really value angering Democrats and liberals far more than they value fighting sexual assault and rape. Whether or not Kavanaugh actually sexually abused someone is far, far less important to many of them than his politics. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/33 "2019-09-15T17:10:49Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Some guys pushed his penis into some lady’s face and…that’s on him? > :dubious::smack: This is a whoosh, right? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/34 "2019-09-15T17:20:00Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Your OP asked “Still okay with him on the SCOTUS?” That’s presumably a question directed at people who were originally “okay with him on the SCOTUS”, and not the crowd that never was. Can someone who was not “okay with him” but resigned to him and moved along opine? It does nothing to change my assessment. I believed he was an out of control young adult whose bad things crossed into sexual assault as part of bad entitled crowd of punks then, and who lied about it during his confirmation hearing, that there was no appropriate investigation, that the D side mishandled it as well, and that his politics and qualifications as an adult jurist were not what I would have wanted, but that battle was lost, move along. Further evidence consistent with his young adult bad, even criminal behavior, consistent with the lack of an adequate investigation, changes none of that. I am unapologetically partisan and revisiting a round my side lost (we wuz robbed!) is not an at all effective approach to winning the next round IMHO. And partisans of the other side will fail to see this further evidence as any proof. Any expectations that _anyone_ would change their minds or positions based on this are I believe very foolish. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/35 "2019-09-15T17:27:20Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > Spot on except that I don’t think they get as far as suspecting anybody they’ve supported is scum. That cognitive dissonance is pretty powerful stuff. It stems from the need to be seen as a Good Person. Waterboarding can’t be torture because Good People don’t support torture. There are no concentration camps in the US because Good People wouldn’t support concentration camps; the camps must be some other kind of camp. I don’t know why they don’t just come out and say “Kavanaugh is a scumbag but he’ll make decisions I like so I support him anyway. All I care about is getting my way, I don’t care who gives it to me.” ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/36 "2019-09-15T18:18:57Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > … I don’t know why they don’t just come out and say “Kavanaugh is a scumbag but he’ll make decisions I like so I support him anyway. All I care about is getting my way, I don’t care who gives it to me.” Perhaps it’s because some people don’t think he’s a “scumbag”. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/37 "2019-09-15T18:20:19Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Can someone who was not “okay with him” but resigned to him and moved along opine? … Certainly. I just think it’s contradictory to say, in effect, “those of you who used to support Justice Kavanaugh, do you still?” and then turn around and say you didn’t want to hear from those who supported him. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/38 "2019-09-15T18:27:24Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Certainly. I just think it’s contradictory to say, in effect, “those of you who used to support Justice Kavanaugh, do you still?” and then turn around and say you didn’t want to hear from those who supported him. That would indeed be contradictory, but that’s not what I said. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/39 "2019-09-15T18:36:13Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > This is a whoosh, right? I was wondering when you’d show up on the bandwagon! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241/40 "2019-09-15T18:37:18Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Certainly. I just think it’s contradictory to say, in effect, “those of you who used to support Justice Kavanaugh, do you still?” and then turn around and say you didn’t want to hear from those who supported him. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That would indeed be contradictory, but that’s not what I said. Hmm, let me turn on my mind reading powers, also known as reading powers. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Still okay with him on the SCOTUS? > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes, I’m still good with him on SCOTUS. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > My question is really aimed at people who actually think sexual assault and rape are terrible things that society should be heavily focused on fighting, not those who have repeatedly and gleefully defended accused and admitted sexual abusers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-sexual-assault-allegation-against-justice-kavanaugh/840241.md?page=3)