# New show: Forever **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 29, 2014, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864 "2014-09-29T14:34:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/121 "2014-12-12T02:13:08Z")
I think that Henry’s lab assistant from Avatar will find out/figure it out first. Once he knows it would be mean to leave Jo out of the secret. This will they/ won’t they is far superior to the will they have sex thing other cop shows do. I do hope they don’t drag it out too long. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/122 "2014-12-12T02:54:07Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > We don’t actually know how Abigail found out Henry was immortal, do we? He could have died in front of her, she might have discovered it… there are alternatives to him telling her. No, we don’t know, and you have a point. They did meet in a war, after all. > [@Broomstick](#): > > But yes, Henry would have to kill himself in front of Jo. She’s too evidence-based to believe it otherwise. Yep. Probably a good idea to have Abe around so Abe knows the score. > [@Broomstick](#): > > Adam probably does have a different morality. Killing another immortal isn’t the same as killing a mortal because the immortal comes back. Killing a mortal…? We don’t really know how Adam regards normal people. I somewhat wonder if he has a Magneto-esque view of ‘regular’ humans as inferior to him and Henry. > [@Broomstick](#): > > I think Boss Cop might be worried the eccentric but brilliant ME might be heading towards a breakdown. She’s trying to take care of one of her people. True that. > [@Broomstick](#): > > “Regular” for Adam might be once a decade you know. Yes, but that wouldn’t work with the context of the show. I read an interview with Gruffudd though, and he said Adam is not a regular feature of the second half of the season. > [@Biggirl](#): > > This will they/ won’t they is far superior to the will they have sex thing other cop shows do. I do hope they don’t drag it out too long. That’s for damn sure. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/123 "2014-12-12T09:30:56Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I think Crazy Guy. I think Adam entered the cab afterward, then killed himself (and Henry) but that’s all. I think we’re supposed to think he’s dangerous, but in reality he’s not killing at all. He may be a bit mad, though. Adam had to be the one who did the live autopsy. I have a hard enough time with a 2000-year-old polymath being able to steal Henry’s knife out of the ME’s office, do a perfect imitation of his autopsy technique, and then return the knife, all undetected. I cannot suspend my disbelief enough to think some otherwise ordinary mental patient could do it. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/124 "2014-12-12T13:27:33Z")
One thing I’d like to see addressed - father down the line, not immediately - is Henry’s social views. I mean, this is a guy who worked on a slave ship. He’s not without empathy, after all, the first time he died it was because he refused to toss a sick man overboard like garbage, but social norms during the time he grew up and was an early adult were _very_ different than now. A man so conservative in so many ways is probably _not_ a paragon of what we consider liberal social views. People can adapt - my father, who at 85 is still a boy by Henry or Adam’s standards - has revised his earlier views on many social issues, among them married women working outside the home, his views on men who are married to women who make more than they do, and homosexuality, but he still retains some of his earlier viewpoints as well. Logically, Henry will be like that, only more so. This could also account for some of Adam’s different morality. Assuming Adam is reporting his age truthfully, he grew up during the Roman Empire which had a very different view of human rights and the value of human life. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/125 "2014-12-12T14:09:36Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Adam had to be the one who did the live autopsy. I have a hard enough time with a 2000-year-old polymath being able to steal Henry’s knife out of the ME’s office, do a perfect imitation of his autopsy technique, and then return the knife, all undetected. I cannot suspend my disbelief enough to think some otherwise ordinary mental patient could do it. Yes - this is absolutely the biggest hole in the episode - access to Henry’s tools and technique. ---
**Author:** ![jharvey963](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/54ee81/32.png) [@jharvey963](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jharvey963)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/126 "2014-12-12T20:56:38Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > I just had a thought. Henry still has to see him. Didn’t Adam say it was up to him to decide when Henry was done with therapy? One of the last lines Adam said from the Taxi out front was something like “I think I’ll disappear for a little while”, so he won’t be the therapist Henry would go see anymore. J. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2014, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/127 "2014-12-13T00:14:59Z")
My thought process upon seeing the therapist. “Oh hey, that guy from Torchwood, guess he’s “the caller”” > [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > I too liked the Highlander reference. Surprised it took this long. Pretty sure there was a Highlander reference at the end of the first episodes. Also about a sword. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/128 "2014-12-15T14:46:14Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > My thought process upon seeing the therapist. “Oh hey, that guy from Torchwood, guess he’s “the caller”” Yeah, that was spoiled for me when I recognized the actor’s name ([Burn Gorman](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1218607/)) in the opening credits. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/129 "2014-12-15T16:02:04Z")
> [@Misnomer](#): > > Yeah, that was spoiled for me when I recognized the actor’s name ([Burn Gorman](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1218607/)) in the opening credits. I always confuse him with [Lee Evans](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0262968/?ref_=tt_cl_t2) - but yeah - soon as I saw him, knew he had to be the caller - ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/130 "2015-01-07T18:27:15Z")
I must have been more tired than I though last night when I watched the show. I remember the Bad Guy’s car stopping just short of Henry’s shins, and Jo and Henry having an end-of-episode talk ending with “do you want to see a dead body?” but for the life of me I can’t remember what happened with Baldwin’s character. He was arrested? He wasn’t killed, was he? I’m beginning to think Henry WANTS Jo to discover his secret, at least subconsciously. He really took some significant risks of death this episode, and right in front of Jo. Which, by the way, he needs to stop doing because no one wants Jo to get killed trying to save his immortal ass. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/131 "2015-01-07T18:40:44Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I must have been more tired than I though last night when I watched the show. I remember the Bad Guy’s car stopping just short of Henry’s shins, and Jo and Henry having an end-of-episode talk ending with “do you want to see a dead body?” but for the life of me I can’t remember what happened with Baldwin’s character. He was arrested? He wasn’t killed, was he? Just arrested. If memory serves, when they were able to prove that it was nothing but a Ponzi scheme and that the patsy would never get a dime, she rolled on Baldwin, as did the office-claiming broker. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/132 "2015-01-08T02:49:10Z")
The thing that made me wonder about the episode was, if Abe is such great friends with these old war buddies, how have none of them met his father? You know, the one that doesn’t age? Henry’s secret would seem exponentially harder to manage under circumstances like that. Plus, we haven’t seen Abigail die - I imagine a 30-something Henry tending to an 80-something Abigail … you could try to disguise it as mother/son, but not without being creepy. That said, I saw the twist with the patsy from a mile away. Enjoyed the episode anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/133 "2015-01-08T02:56:18Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > The thing that made me wonder about the episode was, if Abe is such great friends with these old war buddies, how have none of them met his father? You know, the one that doesn’t age? Henry’s secret would seem exponentially harder to manage under circumstances like that. Wasn’t it established earlier that Abe’s ex-wife never met Henry until recently? Just because Henry and Abe are roommates now doesn’t mean they’ve always been roommates. That, and Abe clearly has a life of his own. There’s no indication that any of these war buddies know that Abe and Henry are related. I am wondering when someone is going to assume Abe and Henry are homosexual lovers - yeah, creepy given their actual relationship, but you know at some point someone will do that. > [@](#): > > Plus, we haven’t seen Abigail die - I imagine a 30-something Henry tending to an 80-something Abigail … you could try to disguise it as mother/son, but not without being creepy. It’s just barely possible Abigail is in fact still alive somewhere, though she’d be pushing 100. We don’t really know how that relationship ended, though I suspect yes, she’s dead because if nothing else Abe would still be in contact with her even if she wanted nothing to do with Henry any more. It’s also not entirely unheard of for there to be an 80/30 marriage. It’s rare, and probably more often old man/young woman but it’s not unprecedented. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/134 "2015-01-08T03:33:15Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Wasn’t it established earlier that Abe’s ex-wife never met Henry until recently? I think that’s true, actually. I remember being surprised that Henry wouldn’t show for the wedding of the man he considers his son. > [@Broomstick](#): > > I am wondering when someone is going to assume Abe and Henry are homosexual lovers - yeah, creepy given their actual relationship, but you know at some point someone will do that. Heh, that could be quite the amusing episode. It would be an interesting insight to Henry’s social views. > [@Broomstick](#): > > It’s just barely possible Abigail is in fact still alive somewhere, though she’d be pushing 100. We don’t really know how that relationship ended, though I suspect yes, she’s dead because if nothing else Abe would still be in contact with her even if she wanted nothing to do with Henry any more. I considered that, but Henry seemed so devoted to her that I can’t imagine him not visiting her. Maaaaaybe if she had a “I want you to remember me like I will always remember you, young and vibrant, not like haggard old crone” moment with Henry, but that seems like such a cop-out. > [@Broomstick](#): > > It’s also not entirely unheard of for there to be an 80/30 marriage. It’s rare, and probably more often old man/young woman but it’s not unprecedented. The old May/October? Those do happen but I think it would bring unwanted attention. I wonder if Henry is capable of having children biologically, or if his curse prevents that. ---
**Author:** ![Helena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c68b51/32.png) [@Helena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/135 "2015-01-08T19:39:35Z")
I want Lucas to uncover something about Henry and start to suspect he’s a vampire. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/136 "2015-01-09T01:42:52Z")
Henry goes out during the day, he can’t be a vampire. Lucas will suspect Henry is Frankenstein’s monster, thus accounting for the fascination with dead bodies. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Downtown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Mr\_Downtown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Downtown)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/137 "2015-01-10T05:05:48Z")
I happened to see the first episode. Was there ever any explanation of how poisoning a subway conductor could possibly cause a train crash? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/138 "2015-01-10T13:43:52Z")
Conductor dies, unable to stop crash? No, it wasn’t gone over in detail. While there are supposed to be safety systems to prevent runaway trains in the event of an incapacitated train operator stuff still happens sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/139 "2015-01-11T01:28:06Z")
> [@Mr\_Downtown](#): > > I happened to see the first episode. Was there ever any explanation of how poisoning a subway conductor could possibly cause a train crash? IIRC, the conductor was killed with a fast-acting poison, and then the throttle was set to maximum. In retrospect, knowing about Adam, he could have poisoned the conductor (so it _looks_ accidental) and then undone the brake and maxed out the speed himself. Sure, he dies in the crash, but what does he care? He’s immortal, and gets to tweak Henry. ---
**Author:** ![GaryM](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garym/32/241_2.png) [@GaryM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaryM)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864/140 "2015-01-11T01:44:51Z")
Nitpick, but the guy running the subway train is a Motorman, not a conductor. The Conductor is the guy working the doors and such. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-forever/699864.md?page=8)