# New Show: Lucifer **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 26, 2016, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247 "2016-01-26T08:36:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/181 "2016-03-15T12:48:49Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > I don’t get the whole problem with smoking, honestly. It bugged me on Constantine, too, that they had to be so careful about never showing him taking a puff. The character smokes. So what? Why does everything have to be sanitized for children, especially on a show that’s decidedly not kiddie fare? > > (No, I don’t smoke. Personally, I think it’s a disgusting habit. But I don’t have a problem with fictional characters smoking if it fits with their persona. And it’s not like Lucifer’s going to get lung cancer.) Very well-put! I don’t have a problem with depictions of smoking, even though I never understood the appeal of it, myself. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/182 "2016-03-15T12:51:10Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > But I guess you could argue there’s a big difference between seducing an innocent girl and then dropping her, and having a one-nighter with a woman who’s looking for the same thing. That’s my take on his attitude, as well. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/183 "2016-03-15T14:59:24Z")
I felt quite bad for Maze in the last episode. It’s like she lost her lover, her job, and her ticket home all at once. Great job on the actress for portraying the creeping realization that everything is falling apart all around her. The “twist” that it was the other therapist was a bit ham-handed. I was impressed by Dr. Linda - another great performance. The good twist to me was that detective douche really is a douche. I wonder about his character arc - he starts out as a douchey ex and uncaring although not absent father. Then he sees Chloe with Lucifer and realizes he’s missing out and makes an effort to patch things up, with his ex and with his daughter. Then the guy he shot comes out of a coma. He’s the other character to have it all crash down around him. Although I loved the reference to a sneezing panda. We have that series too, and our kid can’t get enough of it either. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/184 "2016-03-15T16:05:06Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > I felt quite bad for Maze in the last episode. It’s like she lost her lover, her job, and her ticket home all at once. Great job on the actress for portraying the creeping realization that everything is falling apart all around her. Yeah, I did, too. The thing about Maze, though, is that you expect her to do something about it. And if I were Lucifer, I wouldn’t want to get her too riled up. She has the feather and is going to do something with it. (I dunno wot…) Plus, wouldn’t she be a lot stronger than he is in his current de-powered state? She’s an excellent fighter and super-strong, right? ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/185 "2016-03-15T17:50:45Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > Plus, wouldn’t she be a lot stronger than he is in his current de-powered state? Well, he still has his powers, some of the stuff he’s done indicates he is still strong, and so far the only mortal that has hurt him was Chloe. I noticed that the knife the other therapist had was pretty tight on his throat, but there wasn’t nary a mark on him when it was pulled away. I’m still betting he’s only mortal to Chole. I don’t know the lore of the Comics and if she was in them, etc, so can’t speak on that, but I guess he has less strength without wings, but she’s just a demon, not an Angel so he could be as strong as her. I bet he’s got an Ace up his sleeve too, in that he can fight if needed or something similar. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/186 "2016-03-15T17:51:17Z")
Can Lucifer even show his “creepy Satan face” anymore? I can’t remember if he’s done that, lately, after he lost his immunity to bullets… ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/187 "2016-03-15T17:53:03Z")
> [@Epimetheus](#): > > Well, he still has his powers, some of the stuff he’s done indicates he is still strong, and so far the only mortal that has hurt him was Chloe. I noticed that the knife the other therapist had was pretty tight on his throat, but there wasn’t nary a mark on him when it was pulled away. > > I’m still betting he’s only mortal to Chole. I don’t know the lore of the Comics and if she was in them, etc, so can’t speak on that, but I guess he has less strength without wings, but she’s just a demon, not an Angel so he could be as strong as her. I bet he’s got an Ace up his sleeve too, in that he can fight if needed or something similar. Interesting points! I’m really enjoying this show. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/188 "2016-03-15T18:00:35Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > Yeah, I did, too. The thing about Maze, though, is that you expect her to do something about it. And if I were Lucifer, I wouldn’t want to get her too riled up. She has the feather and is going to do something with it. (I dunno wot…) Plus, wouldn’t she be a lot stronger than he is in his current de-powered state? She’s an excellent fighter and super-strong, right? I think due to her angelic/demonic nature, Maze still can’t hurt Lucifer - she’s literally made to be his bodyguard, even if he fires her she can’t hurt him, IMHO. Of course, that doesn’t prevent her from killing Chloe, or maybe Trixie and Detective Douche. Good thing she likes Linda. > [@Epimetheus](#): > > I’m still betting he’s only mortal to Chole. I don’t know the lore of the Comics and if she was in them, etc, so can’t speak on that, Chloe isn’t in the comics. There are a few similar characters but they are decidedly not human. Unless Chloe is secretly a Nephilim… > [@gytalf2000](#): > > Can Lucifer even show his “creepy Satan face” anymore? I can’t remember if he’s done that, lately, after he lost his immunity to bullets… He did it in the previous episode, which is what scared the guy he was questioning into diving off the roof. He hasn’t done it since he burned his “wings”, but then we don’t even know if they were the real wings. ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/189 "2016-03-15T19:54:42Z")
So did the formally dead cop who was revived by Amenadiel, come back wrong…perhaps missing his soul? He seemed a bit off and I wonder if this was Amenadiel’s nuclear option to force Lucifer back to hell. Why bring the cop back, if not to use him as a weapon of some sort? Chloe is Lucifer’s one weak point and is a strong reason why he remains on Earth. Det. Espinoza appears to be in need of punishment for shooting the cop, who now may be a threat to Chloe. If Chloe is threatened or hurt, Lucifer will show no mercy to who caused it. Could having to deal with these issues directly, be thing that pushes Lucifer into revealing himself in all his demonic glory in front of Chloe, causing her to reject him and remove a strong reason to stay on Earth? ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/190 "2016-03-16T00:56:25Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > I think due to her angelic/demonic nature, Maze still can’t hurt Lucifer - she’s literally made to be his bodyguard, even if he fires her she can’t hurt him, IMHO. That’s not how it worked in _Robocop_. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/191 "2016-03-16T05:07:33Z")
The last episode was great, I’m glad the plot is getting a bit more intricate. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/192 "2016-03-16T13:01:10Z")
It is interesting how Lucifer takes command of a room, astounds the mortals, and leaves them stunned. Then they start to form relationships with him (Chloe as professional, Linda as therapist), and they start to see what’s behind the power and glory and discover his weaknesses. Lucifer asks Linda how he can change Chloe, and she sees he’s insecure when things don’t go his way. When he can’t charm his way out of a bad situation, he cuts himself off from it, because he’s not a fixer. He’s a manipulator for sure, but that’s only good for short-term gain. Chloe and Linda still aren’t convinced he’s The Devil, despite all the remarkable things he can do. That’s because he isn’t The Devil anymore. He abdicated the throne and lost the symbolic power associated with that position. How does a former king convince anybody he’s still a king and should be treated as such? ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/193 "2016-03-16T18:19:17Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Chloe and Linda still aren’t convinced he’s The Devil, despite all the remarkable things he can do. The show is not very consistent about Chloe’s attitude. A few episodes ago, she was literally gasping in astonishment that he had moved about 20 feet on flat ground without her seeing it (during the Lucifer-staged pistol duel between a couple of suspects). This week, he magically levitated from her side to a building roof within a few seconds, and all she did was give him a look like, “NOW what are you up to?” Come to think of it, they didn’t explain how he did it. In the earlier incident, he needed the black angel to freeze time for him in order to accomplish the apparently instant translocation (and come to think of THAT, why did he need the other angel to do it, if Lucifer was the most powerful angel, and that was well before he had any hint of mortality?) And whether he burned his real wings or not, he didn’t have them with him. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/194 "2016-03-16T18:27:52Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > This week, he magically levitated from her side to a building roof within a few seconds, and all she did was give him a look like, “NOW what are you up to?” AFAIK, he took the elevator, like a mortal would. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/195 "2016-03-16T18:53:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > AFAIK, he took the elevator, like a mortal would. It’s still on my DVR. Lucifer and Chloe were across the street from the building, and the part of the building roof the guy was standing on appeared to be at least three stories up. From the time Lucifer went out of frame, behind Chloe and slowly backing _away_ from the building, to the time a bystander said, “My God, there’s another one,” (meaning Lucifer), was less than 15 seconds. And he only had about five seconds to go from behind Chloe to the building entrance across the street without her seeing him, because she was looking across the street the rest of the time. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/196 "2016-03-16T19:00:09Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > It’s still on my DVR. Lucifer and Chloe were across the street from the building, and the part of the building roof the guy was standing on appeared to be at least three stories up. From the time Lucifer went out of frame, behind Chloe and slowly backing _away_ from the building, to the time a bystander said, “My God, there’s another one,” (meaning Lucifer), was less than 15 seconds. And he only had about five seconds to go from behind Chloe to the building entrance across the street without her seeing him, because she was looking across the street the rest of the time. They dont show every minute elapsing. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/197 "2016-03-16T19:01:35Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > The show is not very consistent about Chloe’s attitude. A few episodes ago, she was literally gasping in astonishment that he had moved about 20 feet on flat ground without her seeing it (during the Lucifer-staged pistol duel between a couple of suspects). This week, he magically levitated from her side to a building roof within a few seconds, and all she did was give him a look like, “NOW what are you up to?” > > Come to think of it, they didn’t explain how he did it. In the earlier incident, he needed the black angel to freeze time for him in order to accomplish the apparently instant translocation (and come to think of THAT, why did he need the other angel to do it, if Lucifer was the most powerful angel, and that was well before he had any hint of mortality?) And whether he burned his real wings or not, he didn’t have them with him. I think Chloe has seen too many extraordinary things from Lucifer, which she keeps telling herself that there must be some rational explanation, that his antics have become mundane. She doesn’t _know_ what the explanation is, but she’s convinced herself it’s not supernatural, so she just accepts whatever weird stuff he can do. And I think the fact that he can still do weird stuff points to him retaining most of his demonic powers, wings or not. He hasn’t really needed to test them for a while, which lets the writers play with the “he thinks he’s mortal and powerless, but that isn’t true” idea. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/198 "2016-03-16T19:27:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > They dont show every minute elapsing. Whatever you say. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/199 "2016-03-16T19:52:32Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > She doesn’t _know_ what the explanation is, but she’s convinced herself it’s not supernatural, so she just accepts whatever weird stuff he can do. I have a vague memory of Trixie (Chloe’s cute daughter) either asking her if Lucifer was a magician (illusionist like David Copperfield), or telling her that he was. I have no idea which episode the scene was in. Maybe Chloe assumes he is some type of stage magician, at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/200 "2016-03-16T20:34:00Z")
I think Chloë is trying to figure it out. Hence her examination of freeze framed images of Lucifer. But she doesn’t want to believe, so her search is more about “where are the wires and mirrors”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247.md?page=11)