# New Show: Lucifer **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 26, 2016, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247 "2016-01-26T08:36:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/201 "2016-03-16T20:42:33Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > I have a vague memory of Trixie (Chloe’s cute daughter) either asking her if Lucifer was a magician (illusionist like David Copperfield), or telling her that he was. I have no idea which episode the scene was in. Maybe Chloe assumes he is some type of stage magician, at this point. That would explain pulling a rabbit out of his hat, not magically appearing on the roof of a building he never knew existed until a few minutes ago. Every adult knows that stage magicians have all kinds of behind the scenes props, and months of rehearsal, to do non-trivial tricks. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/202 "2016-03-16T20:49:37Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > That would explain pulling a rabbit out of his hat, not magically appearing on the roof of a building he never knew existed until a few minutes ago. Every adult knows that stage magicians have all kinds of behind the scenes props, and months of rehearsal, to do non-trivial tricks. Good point! But I think Chloe needs to think of him in non-supernatural terms, despite the fact that he keeps telling her he actually is the devil himself. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/203 "2016-03-17T06:50:57Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > The show is not very consistent about Chloe’s attitude. A few episodes ago, she was literally gasping in astonishment that he had moved about 20 feet on flat ground without her seeing it (during the Lucifer-staged pistol duel between a couple of suspects). This week, he magically levitated from her side to a building roof within a few seconds, and all she did was give him a look like, “NOW what are you up to?” Well, to be honest, the show is set in LA. Place probably rivals New Orleans for strange shit happening. Declan ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/204 "2016-03-17T12:40:03Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > They dont show every minute elapsing. Chloe was continuously talking. There was no cut. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/205 "2016-03-17T14:53:18Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > Good point! But I think Chloe needs to think of him in non-supernatural terms, despite the fact that he keeps telling her he actually is the devil himself. In fairness, if someone told _you_ they were the devil, would you believe them no matter how many “odd” things kept happening around them? ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/206 "2016-03-17T14:57:30Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > In fairness, if someone told _you_ they were the devil, would you believe them no matter how many “odd” things kept happening around them? No, they would have to pull off some pretty spectacular, not-easily-debunked stuff to get me to even start to believe them. I would like a tour of Hell, of course, provided I knew that the trip was not a one-way deal. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/207 "2016-03-17T15:58:32Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > In fairness, if someone told _you_ they were the devil, would you believe them no matter how many “odd” things kept happening around them? And to be fair - around Chloe he’s been ‘devilish’ - but not ‘evil’ - when one commonly thinks of the devil, one does not usually think of him as the one ‘seeking justice’. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/208 "2016-03-18T02:35:00Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > In fairness, if someone told _you_ they were the devil, would you believe them no matter how many “odd” things kept happening around them? But he’s gone way beyond the merely “odd.” Just off the top of my head, she’s seen him get hit by several bullets without being wounded, teleport various distances and heights, throw a 250-pound guy across a room with one hand, and reduce people to jelly with his scary face. She also saw (or at least heard) his 100-pound unarmed female minion defeat a dozen or so heavily armed gang members in about a minute. While all of that doesn’t prove he’s Satan, it does leave something supernatural as the best explanation. And I say this as a confirmed atheist. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/209 "2016-03-18T04:40:24Z")
Anybody else think that its more than just a case of Detective Douche being on the take? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/210 "2016-03-18T06:31:17Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Anybody else think that its more than just a case of Detective Douche being on the take? Yes. I hope it’s connected to why Lucy doesn’t affect Chloe. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/211 "2016-03-18T23:37:47Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Chloe was continuously talking. There was no cut. That’s where your suspension of disbelief comes in, so you can put yourself in Chloe’s “Where did he go now? Do I need to keep him on a leash?” mind. FTR, he’d be all for her putting him on a leash. But I remember when I still had a suspension of disbelief. It’s latest blow came when I started watching _28 Days Later_ last night. A scientist tries to stop some animal liberation types from releasing some research chimps because they had been “infected with rage.” :dubious: How could he tell? ALL adult male chimps have been infected with rage, like all bonobos have been infected with horniness. Took me right out of the movie. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/212 "2016-03-21T13:15:23Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > That’s where your suspension of disbelief comes in, so you can put yourself in Chloe’s “Where did he go now? Do I need to keep him on a leash?” mind. FTR, he’d be all for her putting him on a leash. > > But I remember when I still had a suspension of disbelief. It’s latest blow came when I started watching _28 Days Later_ last night. A scientist tries to stop some animal liberation types from releasing some research chimps because they had been “infected with rage.” :dubious: How could he tell? ALL adult male chimps have been infected with rage, like all bonobos have been infected with horniness. Took me right out of the movie. I think you missed the whole point of _28 Days Layer_. “Rage” was the nickname given to the virus that the chimps were infected with, not their natural anger factor. You know, the virus that turned everyone into mindless flesh-eating automatons? ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2016, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/213 "2016-03-22T05:15:26Z")
Loved tonight’s episode. I really enjoyed seeing a bit more “human” side of Lucifer, and seeing Chloe warming up to him a bit more. They really do have good chemistry. Also, I have to admit I didn’t see it coming that Amenadiel was setting up Moustache Boy to be the thug who takes down Lucifer (after their conversation in the episode where they were trying to get Lucifer’s wings back). Liked how Chloe left Dan and their night home alone together to go be with Lucifer because he needed her. Their piano duo (and Lucifer’s with Father Frank) were charming. Yeah, pretty much liked everything about this episode. Possibly my favorite so far. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2016, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/214 "2016-03-22T12:06:25Z")
‘of course he has a plan, just no one bothers to ask if its a good one’. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2016, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/215 "2016-03-22T13:14:47Z")
> [@simster](#): > > ‘of course he has a plan, just no one bothers to ask if its a good one’. That was a great line! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/216 "2016-03-22T13:42:19Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > Loved tonight’s episode. I really enjoyed seeing a bit more “human” side of Lucifer, and seeing Chloe warming up to him a bit more. They really do have good chemistry. Also, > > I have to admit I didn’t see it coming that Amenadiel was setting up Moustache Boy to be the thug who takes down Lucifer (after their conversation in the episode where they were trying to get Lucifer’s wings back). > > Liked how Chloe left Dan and their night home alone together to go be with Lucifer because he needed her. Their piano duo (and Lucifer’s with Father Frank) were charming. > > Yeah, pretty much liked everything about this episode. Possibly my favorite so far. I always enjoy the show, but this is one of the best! Loved the Lucifer / Father Frank piano scene. They were, as Chloe stated, quite adorable together! ---
**Author:** ![Tapiotar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@Tapiotar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapiotar)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/217 "2016-03-22T20:43:02Z")
I like how this show repays rewatching, so I catch the fun visuals I miss first time through. Like the sight of Maze’s demon face in the mirror when she watches Chloe, while Chloe sleeps. Or all the angel imagery the dancers use during Lucifer’s “birthday” party. I love the music they use. I particularly like Tom Ellis. He plays Lucifer as a bright but very spoiled adolescent who is disconcerted every time he discovers that he isn’t the center of the universe, and has to get the lesson over and over again. Even his obsessions with sex are more naughty adolescent than evil or perverted. I love how expressive Ellis’s face is, from wonderfully handsome and charming, to ugly and distorted (even without the cgi), and everything in between. It’ll be interesting to see if mustache man is able to hurt Lucifer, or if it is only Chloe or another angel who can. I vote for his continued invulnerability. I suspect that Amendiel is falling, even as Lucifer is being redeemed, and will be the next ruler of hell. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/218 "2016-03-22T20:44:33Z")
My WAG is that slowly Amenadiel is turning into Satan, while Lucifer is turning mortal. ---
**Author:** ![Tapiotar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@Tapiotar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapiotar)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/219 "2016-03-22T20:56:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > My WAG is that slowly Amenadiel is turning into Satan, while Lucifer is turning mortal. Definitely agree on the first, not on the second. I think he still has his real wings hidden away, and burned the fake ones. As long as he has his wings, he is still one of the immortals. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/220 "2016-03-22T21:00:17Z")
> [@Tapiotar](#): > > It’ll be interesting to see if mustache man is able to hurt Lucifer, or if it is only Chloe or another angel who can. I vote for his continued invulnerability. I suspect that Amendiel is falling, even as Lucifer is being redeemed, and will be the next ruler of hell. Yeah, I can’t wait to see how this scenario plays out with the angel’s resurrected thug. About the concept of “falling” – I was actually wondering the same thing about Amenendiel as he was punching Lucifer in a previous episode. Lucy was laughing at him, even though the blows obviously were quite effective (he looked pretty beaten up later on in the episode) – was he realizing that the more the self-righteous angel gives in to his anger, the more he “falls” ? He was actually egging his angelic brother on. Lucifer be be on to something about falling from grace… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247.md?page=12)