# New Show: Lucifer **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 26, 2016, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247 "2016-01-26T08:36:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![OHS201](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6de8d8/32.png) [@OHS201](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OHS201)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/261 "2016-03-31T15:43:43Z")
I like Lucifer as an angst-ridden, self-absorbed, narcissistic teen-ager. That’s kind of fun. On the other hand, for a Prince of Darkness he’s pretty naive about human behavior. My two cents on whether Lucifer can teleport: I think the show is ambiguous (or possibly just inconsistent), but it’s very likely he can. Amenadiel meets mustache-coma guy in a garage, the guy turns around, there’s a whoosh and Amenadiel is gone. He’s not flying away, the garage ceiling is low. Not clear whether it’s teleport or some sort of super-speed, but my guess is that he (and Lucifer) only teleport when no one can see them. Hence, not in front of running crowd, not when trying to get Chloe out of burning building. No idea whether they can in fact teleport in front of people, or just don’t want to? (Or, perhaps, the show just doesn’t want to show us what it looks like, since it will look cheesy.) ---
**Author:** ![MaddyStrut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@MaddyStrut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaddyStrut)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/262 "2016-03-31T16:28:52Z")
I suspect he can teleport, but he could have made his sudden appearances/movements without teleportation. He’s been shown to have the ability to slow time almost to a standstill. Using that could look like teleportation. I also think he burned the fake wings. In fact, I’m starting to wonder if he’s really losing his powers as much as shown or if he’s faking some/allowing himself to be hurt in order to trick Amenadial. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/263 "2016-03-31T16:39:14Z")
> [@OHS201](#): > > I like Lucifer as an angst-ridden, self-absorbed, narcissistic teen-ager. That’s kind of fun. On the other hand, for a Prince of Darkness he’s pretty naive about human behavior. > > My two cents on whether Lucifer can teleport: I think the show is ambiguous (or possibly just inconsistent), but it’s very likely he can. Amenadiel meets mustache-coma guy in a garage, the guy turns around, there’s a whoosh and Amenadiel is gone. He’s not flying away, the garage ceiling is low. Not clear whether it’s teleport or some sort of super-speed, but my guess is that he (and Lucifer) only teleport when no one can see them. Hence, not in front of running crowd, not when trying to get Chloe out of burning building. No idea whether they can in fact teleport in front of people, or just don’t want to? (Or, perhaps, the show just doesn’t want to show us what it looks like, since it will look cheesy.) amenadiel has been shown to specifically ‘slow time’ - in fact, Lucifer called him to a scene specifically to do that (its the other time that Chloe saw Lucifer ‘jump’ from one spot to the other - “you were there, now you’re here, how is that possible?”) Amenadiel has also been shown to use the wings for flight - which Lucifer currently doesn’t have (attaached, anyway). So - while I don’t like the use of the word ‘teleport’ - I have no issue with Lucifer getting to where he did at the top of the builidng quicker than expected - and that for whatever reason - Chloe just accepted it as normal for Lucifer, and no one else was paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![Tapiotar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@Tapiotar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapiotar)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/264 "2016-03-31T17:26:08Z")
> [@OHS201](#): > > I like Lucifer as an angst-ridden, self-absorbed, narcissistic teen-ager. That’s kind of fun. On the other hand, for a Prince of Darkness he’s pretty naive about human behavior.) Yeah, he isn’t a Prince of Darkness. He’s the spoiled, good-looking son of a prosperous farmer who goes into a snit because he has to clean out the manure pits, or the son of a businessman who is supposed to learn the business from the ground up, and starts out as janitorial staff. Instead of doing it, he just walks off the job. Lucky he didn’t get the assignment the other favored son got. Oh, but that one was mortal, capable of dying, to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Tapiotar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@Tapiotar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapiotar)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/265 "2016-03-31T17:27:14Z")
> [@OHS201](#): > > My two cents on whether Lucifer can teleport: I think the show is ambiguous (or possibly just inconsistent), but it’s very likely he can. Amenadiel meets mustache-coma guy in a garage, the guy turns around, there’s a whoosh and Amenadiel is gone. He’s not flying away, the garage ceiling is low. Not clear whether it’s teleport or some sort of super-speed, but my guess is that he (and Lucifer) only teleport when no one can see them. Hence, not in front of running crowd, not when trying to get Chloe out of burning building. No idea whether they can in fact teleport in front of people, or just don’t want to? (Or, perhaps, the show just doesn’t want to show us what it looks like, since it will look cheesy.) Good comments. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/266 "2016-03-31T22:42:58Z")
> [@Tapiotar](#): > > Yeah, he isn’t a Prince of Darkness. He’s the spoiled, good-looking son of a prosperous farmer who goes into a snit because he has to clean out the manure pits, or the son of a businessman who is supposed to learn the business from the ground up, and starts out as janitorial staff. Instead of doing it, he just walks off the job. Lucky he didn’t get the assignment the other favored son got. Oh, but that one was mortal, capable of dying, to begin with. “He’s not the devil, he’s a naughty boy.” ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/267 "2016-04-01T02:33:32Z")
> [@MaddyStrut](#): > > I suspect he can teleport, but he could have made his sudden appearances/movements without teleportation. He’s been shown to have the ability to slow time almost to a standstill. Using that could look like teleportation. I’ll buy that for a dollar. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/268 "2016-04-01T03:10:39Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I’ll buy that for a dollar. I am assuming \*\*MaddyStrut \*\* is referring to Lucifer - and Lucifer has not been shown to ‘slow time’ - as I said in my post, in the episode with the paparazi, Lucifer specifically called for Amenadiel to the scene of the ‘setup’ in order to get time to slow down so he (Lucifer) could fix things. Every time we’ve seen time slow down, its been due to the presence of Amenadiel. If Lucifer himself could slow time - he would not have needed to call him. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/269 "2016-04-01T04:12:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > …and the ability to get to his target Right, he has to be able to pull a trigger AND walk into Lucifer’s club. > [@](#): > > Hospitals put patients who don’t need them in wheelchairs all the time as a matter of policy And you think that bar has the same policy? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/270 "2016-04-01T10:57:20Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Right, he has to be able to pull a trigger AND walk into Lucifer’s club. Yes, that was _my_ point… > [@](#): > > And you think that bar has the same policy? You think the \*cop bar \*gave him the wheelchair?😕 ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/271 "2016-04-01T14:38:52Z")
You guys are thinking _Lucifer is supposed to have consistent technical specifications like Star Trek_. Lucifer has whatever powers the writers think looks cool and don’t overwhelm the story. I highly doubt the objective of the writers is to show how good they are at defining powers. Lucifer’s attempts to co-exist with humanity and make constructive use of his time is more their thing. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/272 "2016-04-01T18:03:28Z")
> [@MaddyStrut](#): > > I suspect he can teleport, but he could have made his sudden appearances/movements without teleportation. He’s been shown to have the ability to slow time almost to a standstill. Using that could look like teleportation. > . That was Amenadiel. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/273 "2016-04-01T23:09:48Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Yes, that was _my_ point… No, your point was that it was plausible that Amenadiel gave Coma Boy exceptional fighting abilities, even though he couldn’t possibly beat Lucifer or Maze hand to hand, and even though the plan is to shoot Lucifer, not beat him to death. My point was he only needed to be strong enough to walk into a club and pull a trigger. Hope that helps. > [@](#): > > You think the \*cop bar \*gave him the wheelchair?😕 FFS, you’re the one who cited hospital policy (which is to wheel departing patients to the exit, and then take the wheelchair back) as if it explained what he was doing in a wheelchair in a bar. You’re the one who said he didn’t need it, because he was shown being able to stand for a few seconds. So you’re the one who has to explain why he was using it. Either the bar gave him the wheelchair, which I agree is a stupid hypothesis, or he went to the trouble of buying/renting one (along with a special van, probably) and took it to the bar with him, even though he didn’t need it. ---
**Author:** ![OHS201](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6de8d8/32.png) [@OHS201](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OHS201)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/274 "2016-04-02T14:09:25Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Either the bar gave him the wheelchair, which I agree is a stupid hypothesis, or he went to the trouble of buying/renting one (along with a special van, probably) and took it to the bar with him, even though he didn’t need it. Or he got a wheelchair when he left the hospital because he needed it then, but he’s recovered enough strength in the following few days that he doesn’t need it now. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/275 "2016-04-02T17:15:57Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > No, your point was that it was plausible that Amenadiel gave Coma Boy exceptional fighting abilities How you build an “exceptional fighting abilities” strawman out of me saying “healed”, I have no idea. All I’ve said is, he’s clearly fully healed, not just “out of a coma, but barely”. I never said he’s a super fighter. Det. Douche might just not be able to take a punch. > [@](#): > > My point was he only needed to be strong enough to walk into a club and pull a trigger. > [@](#): > > all he needs is the strength to pull a trigger :rolleyes: Make up your mind where those goalposts should be, yeah…? > [@](#): > > FFS, you’re the one who cited hospital policy (which is to wheel departing patients to the exit, and then take the wheelchair back) Not always - my mom was issued a wheelchair for a month after surgery, for instance. > [@](#): > > as if it explained what he was doing in a wheelchair in a bar. You’re the one who said he didn’t need it, because he was shown being able to stand for a few seconds. So you’re the one who has to explain why he was using it. Either the bar gave him the wheelchair, which I agree is a stupid hypothesis, or he went to the trouble of buying/renting one (along with a special van, probably) and took it to the bar with him, even though he didn’t need it. I _already explained_ why he was in the wheelchair - to _appear_ weak. Couple the wheelchair with his already-weaselly appearance, and he will be underestimated. It’s a fakeout. Also, not to arouse too much suspicion by being all lively and jiggy just after coming out of a coma. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/276 "2016-04-02T21:22:33Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > :rolleyes: Make up your mind where those goalposts should be, yeah…? Yeah, I’m moving the goalposts by adding the ability to walk. I guess I didn’t make it clear that I really didn’t expect him to lie in a bed all day with a gun, hoping Douche came by so he could shoot him. Jesus Christ. > [@](#): > > Not always - my mom was issued a wheelchair for a month after surgery, for instance. Then she must have needed it, so it’s irrelevant to your statement that “Hospitals put patients who don’t need them in wheelchairs all the time as a matter of policy” to explain why he would have one in the bar when he “clearly” didn’t need it. Can you really not see that you are contradicting yourself? > [@](#): > > I _already explained_ why he was in the wheelchair - to _appear_ weak Yes, you _already explained_ that he thought it would fool everybody if he spent a day or two in a wheelchair, and then went back to full duty. IMO that’s a stupid explanation. The guy was in a coma so deep that his loving wife gave up hope and pulled the plug on him, even though the city would have been paying the bills. In any normal PD, he would spend several months on convalescent leave, and then several more months on desk duty at best. More likely, they would expect him to retire on full disability. To think that a couple days in a wheelchair and then full duty wouldn’t cause amazement is ridiculous. My explanation is the writers aren’t consistent. Your explanation is your stupid fakeout theory that would make no sense to any real cop. You’re welcome to it; I’m done. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/277 "2016-04-03T15:18:02Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Yeah, I’m moving the goalposts by adding the ability to walk. Well, yes -else say what you mean up front. > [@](#): > > Then she must have needed it Nope. She was walking just fine, it was just standard hospital policy for the (back) surgery she had > [@](#): > > Yes, you _already explained_ that he thought it would fool everybody if he spent a day or two in a wheelchair, and then went back to full duty. Well, it seems to have worked, hasn’t it? Because that’s _exactly_ what he did. > [@](#): > > IMO that’s a stupid explanation. The guy was in a coma so deep that his loving wife gave up hope and pulled the plug on him, even though the city would have been paying the bills. In any normal PD, he would spend several months on convalescent leave, and then several more months on desk duty at best. More likely, they would expect him to retire on full disability. To think that a couple days in a wheelchair and then full duty wouldn’t cause amazement is ridiculous. Take it up with the scriptwriters. He _did_ have people fooled - including the guy whose suicide he faked, and Det. Douche, who clearly wasn’t expecting him to put up much of a fight in this last episode. Should they have been fooled? No. Welcome to television watching, since you’re clearly new to it… > [@](#): > > My explanation is the writers aren’t consistent. What they’ve written regarding ComaCop is perfectly consistent. > [@](#): > > Your explanation is your stupid fakeout theory that would make no sense to any real cop. The same “real cop” who sees a guy break out of locked cars, teleport up buildings and pick up 250 lb guys with one hand, yet thinks that guy isn’t telling the truth about being a supernatural being? _That_ kind of “real cop”? Your complaint is that things in TV-land aren’t realistic. I’m saying that in TV land, my explanation works just fine. The problem here isn’t that TV land isn’t consistent (even though it mostly is), the problem is you think it should work like the real world and seem almost irrationally angry that that isn’t the case… > [@](#): > > I’m done. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/278 "2016-04-03T19:17:43Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The same “real cop” who sees a guy break out of locked cars, teleport up buildings and pick up 250 lb guys with one hand, yet thinks that guy isn’t telling the truth about being a supernatural being? IMHO- never teleported and certainly has never been \*seen \*to have teleported. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/279 "2016-04-05T02:05:57Z")
Until tonight I hadn’t heard of this show. I just saw the pilot and I LOVE the show. Somehow I have to see the previous episodes, and the new ones that are left ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/280 "2016-04-07T20:31:18Z")
Lucifer has been renewed for a second season: > **[‘Lucifer,’ ‘Rosewood’ Renewed by Fox](https://variety.com/2016/tv/news/lucifer-rosewood-renewed-fox-1201748432/)** > > Fox has renewed dramas “Lucifer” and “Rosewood,” each for a second season, the network announced Thursday. The two series are the first besides previously renewed “Scr… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247.md?page=15)