# New Show: Lucifer **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 26, 2016, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247 "2016-01-26T08:36:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/141 "2016-03-10T01:38:09Z")
> [@holmes](#): > > Wouldn’t be surprised if they were the fake wings…the ones so good only the owner would know they weren’t the real deal. this - he wants metamedial (bro angel) to _think_ he’s fully rejected it, doesn’t have a way back, etc - but for all of his Lucifernous - he’s still kinda holding on to things. > [@Infovore](#): > > I’m interested in that single feather Maze had at the end. Is she planning to grow a new set from it, I wonder… and this. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/142 "2016-03-10T13:52:05Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > I’m interested in that single feather Maze had at the end. Is she planning to grow a new set from it, I wonder… That scene intrigued me, as well. Can’t wait to see what sexy Maze is up to! ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/143 "2016-03-11T16:10:27Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > That scene intrigued me, as well. Can’t wait to see what sexy Maze is up to! I can just see the scene — Lucifer walks in while she’s tickling herself with the feather in her nether regions. He smiles lasciviously and says “Oh Mazy, if I had only known…” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/144 "2016-03-11T18:48:27Z")
It _is_ nice to see that the showrunners got their briefcase full of payola from Big Tobacco. Cash or nose candy? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/145 "2016-03-11T19:00:17Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It _is_ nice to see that the showrunners got their briefcase full of payola from Big Tobacco. Cash or nose candy? Note that FOX has been caught at this before: > **[Another Payola Scandal... This Time Fox News Columnist On Big Tobacco Payroll...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/another-payola-scandal-th_n_14505)** > > Another Payola Scandal... This Time Fox News Columnist On Big Tobacco Payroll... _Another Payola Scandal… This Time Fox News Columnist On Big Tobacco Payroll…_ ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/146 "2016-03-11T20:55:07Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It _is_ nice to see that the showrunners got their briefcase full of payola from Big Tobacco. Cash or nose candy? Whut? What does Big Tobacco have to do with the show? FOX network and Fox News are two separate things. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/147 "2016-03-11T21:20:48Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Whut? What does Big Tobacco have to do with the show? FOX network and Fox News are two separate things. > **[Fox Broadcasting Company](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Broadcasting_Company)** > > Fox Broadcasting Company, LLC, commonly known simply as Fox and stylized in all caps, is an American commercial broadcast television network owned by the Fox Entertainment division of Fox Corporation, headquartered at 1211 Avenue of the Americas in Midtown Manhattan. Fox hosts additional offices at the Fox Network Center in Los Angeles and at the Fox Media Center in Tempe, Arizona. Launched as a competitor to the Big Three television networks (ABC, CBS, and NBC) on October 9, 1986, Fox went > Fo... > **[Fox News](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel)** > > The Fox News Channel (FNC), commonly known as Fox News, is an American multinational conservative news and political commentary television channel and website based in New York City. It is owned by Fox News Media, which itself is owned by the Fox Corporation. It is the most-watched cable news network in the U.S., and as of 2023 generates approximately 70% of its parent company's pre-tax profit. The channel broadcasts primarily from studios at 1211 Avenue of the Americas in Mi The channel was ... Fox News Channel (FNC), also known as Fox News, is an American basic cable and satellite news television channel that is owned by the Fox Entertainment Group ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/148 "2016-03-12T16:06:35Z")
Again, the thread is about Lucifer, the TV show, not FOX news. Put it in another thread or something. ---
**Author:** ![Spud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spud/32/347_2.png) [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/149 "2016-03-12T19:24:25Z")
**DrDeth** … answer me honestly… have you even watched one episode of Lucifer? My guess is you have an issue with Fox News, which you relate to Fox in general, which you translate to any show airing on Fox. If your answer is No then you are thread shitting. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/150 "2016-03-12T20:25:40Z")
> [@Spud](#): > > **DrDeth** … answer me honestly… have you even watched one episode of Lucifer? > > My guess is you have an issue with Fox News, which you relate to Fox in general, which you translate to any show airing on Fox. > > If your answer is No then you are thread shitting. If you read the thread, you’ll see I have watched _every_ episode. How else would I know the showed him smoking in the last epi? And the other things i discussed? Dude, \*read the fucking thread \*before you accuse others of threadshitting.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/151 "2016-03-12T20:26:52Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Again, the thread is about Lucifer, the TV show, not FOX news. Put it in another thread or something. Not discussing _Fox news._ Discussing the fact that Fox has accepted Big Tobacco payola to show smoking on Lucifer. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/152 "2016-03-12T22:44:31Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Not discussing _Fox news._ Discussing the fact that Fox has accepted Big Tobacco payola to show smoking on Lucifer. Link? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/153 "2016-03-12T23:22:54Z")
> [@Spud](#): > > If your answer is No then you are thread shitting. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Dude, \*read the fucking thread \*before you accuse others of threadshitting.:rolleyes: Let’s cut the hostility out. Reminder to everyone to please report posts that offend or that you think violate the rules. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/154 "2016-03-12T23:53:22Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Not discussing _Fox news._ Discussing the fact that Fox has accepted Big Tobacco payola to show smoking on Lucifer. Who cares? Smoking isn’t as bad as the anti-smoking zealots would have you believe, but even if it were, he’s the friggin’ devil. Why wouldn’t he smoke? He also drinks. Is Fox in bed with Big Alcohol as well? Does he practice safe sex? Wear seat belts? Does he floss? Won’t somebody think of the chiiiildreeeen!!! ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/155 "2016-03-13T01:20:56Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Who cares? > > Smoking isn’t as bad as the anti-smoking zealots would have you believe, but even if it were, he’s the friggin’ devil. Why wouldn’t he smoke? > > He also drinks. Is Fox in bed with Big Alcohol as well? > > Does he practice safe sex? Wear seat belts? Does he floss? Won’t somebody think of the chiiiildreeeen!!! He;s on record as hating children. Well, maybe not ‘hating’ so much as loathing… ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/156 "2016-03-13T03:29:37Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Smoking isn’t as bad as the anti-smoking zealots would have you believe True. I know several smokers who don’t yet have cancer or emphysema. But they do look about 15 years older than they should. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/157 "2016-03-13T17:08:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Not discussing _Fox news._ Discussing the fact that Fox has accepted Big Tobacco payola to show smoking on Lucifer. The link you provided pertained to Fox News. That’s why we thought you were talking about Fox News. If you’re implying guilt by association, it might be best to actually say so. You jumped a whole lot of layers to make your point. Your link, dated 2008, says Stephen Milloy did some consulting work for Phillip Morris before he became a science columnist for Fox News. Somehow you leapt to the conclusion that Big Tobacco wants Fox’s shows to show characters smoking, without mentioning anything about characters smoking. Have you ever considered that maybe Lucifer’s showmakers want to make the character look like a debonair bad boy, so they show him engaging in vices? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/158 "2016-03-13T18:56:15Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > The link you provided pertained to Fox News. That’s why we thought you were talking about Fox News. If you’re implying guilt by association, it might be best to actually say so. You jumped a whole lot of layers to make your point. > > Your link, dated 2008, says Stephen Milloy did some consulting work for Phillip Morris before he became a science columnist for Fox News. Somehow you leapt to the conclusion that Big Tobacco wants Fox’s shows to show characters smoking, without mentioning anything about characters smoking. Have you ever considered that maybe Lucifer’s showmakers want to make the character look like a debonair bad boy, so they show him engaging in vices? No, what I was showing is that Fox has no moral qualms over taking Big Tobacco payola, they have done so before and got caught. Every single puff on TV is paid for. Debonair dudes dont smoke. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/159 "2016-03-13T19:30:38Z")
I know; the show _I_ want to watch portrays the devil living in a monastery in Southern California, eating right (lots of kale and other greens), exercising, going to bed early and spending his days reading to schoolchildren and feeding the homeless. Sounds like an absolute winner of a show. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247/160 "2016-03-13T19:37:25Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I know; the show _I_ want to watch portrays the devil living in a monastery in Southern California, eating right (lots of kale and other greens), exercising, going to bed early and spending his days reading to schoolchildren and feeding the homeless. Sounds like an absolute winner of a show. He drinks and womanizes. Smoking is just _stupid_, it’s not sexy or glamorous. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-show-lucifer/744247.md?page=9)