# New Star Trek series **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2001, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203 "2001-06-18T07:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2001, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/21 "2001-06-19T06:21:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\*I would like to see the show start off with the uniting of various Earth factions (some pro-alien, some anti-alien). \*\* Why would you want to eliminate one of the potentially interesting plotlines right off the bat? ---
**Author:** ![ssj\_man2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ssj\_man2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssj_man2k)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2001, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/22 "2001-06-19T07:40:33Z")
I have one question: Why do you all hate Voyager so much? I thought it was a good series. I liked it much more than DS9. I always liked TNG the best though. The effects were good enough and the story lines were pretty good. I wish they would put it on again. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2001, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/23 "2001-06-19T09:28:00Z")
Tengu… > [@](#): > > Why would you want to eliminate one of the potentially interesting plotlines right off the bat? No, I meant that SHOULD be the first primary plotline. Heck, I think it should take up all (or, at least, most) of the first season. ssj… > [@](#): > > Why do you all hate Voyager so much? Because the writers completely butchered ST continuity. They abused science/physics horribly. They completely RUINED the only cool thing about Star Trek - the Borg. What was once a mysterious, malevolent force is now a band of bumbling fools that rivals Monty Python, but with a few more cybernetic implants. The plotlines were cookie-cutter and repetitive, the plot twists were unimaginative, the resolutions to plots relied solely on a new technobabble word… basically, Voyager was a very, very lazy series. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2001, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/24 "2001-06-19T09:45:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ssj\_man2k \* > \*\*I have one question: Why do you all hate Voyager so much? I thought it was a good series. I liked it much more than DS9. I always liked TNG the best though. The effects were good enough and the story lines were pretty good. I wish they would put it on again. \*\* I really thought the concept for Voyager was the best thing since sliced bread. It seemed to me that they were going to go back to what was essentially exploring strange new worlds and boldly going where no human has gone before. But at every turn I found that Voyager dissappointed me. Let’s start off. 1. They broke the Borg and Q. Both of these used to be really cool and menacing until they went through Voyager. Now there’s no mystery to the Q and the Borg just aren’t all that interesting any more. 2. Bad writing. Out of the 7 year run I can only think of a few episodes that I thought were any good. Other then the doctor I haven’t found any of the characters to be particularly likable or interesting. 3. Gimmicks, or more bad writing. I am so sick of characters that do not change or develope over the course of the series. I’m also really tired of gimmicks use to set up or further the plot. How many times did they modify 7o9’s nano probes to do whatever? The one that really got me was bringing Neelix back to life after he’d been dead for hours. Another gimmick was the Hell Planet’s duplicate ship. The crew are doing all sorts of things that are sometimes hinted at but in the end it really wasn’t Voyager at all. 4. Time travel. I feel really cheated by time travel and I think it is the ultimate Star Trek crutch. I was really pissed off when I heard the last episode was going to involve time travel. I feel really cheated when we see visions of the future that never end up being true. Goddamn it if you show me visions of the future have the balls to stick to it. I can only take so many "this is what the future **might** be endings. \ I had to get that off my chest. Marc ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2001, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/25 "2001-06-19T09:56:34Z")
> [@](#): > > I feel really cheated by time travel and I think it is the ultimate Star Trek crutch. Three words: **Year of Hell**. Goddamn, that whole “But it didn’t really happen!” crap really pissed me off. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2001, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/26 "2001-06-19T12:30:00Z")
How come the commercials “before Picard, before Janeway, before Archer, before Spock, before Kirk” don’t even mention Captain Christopher Pike? How DARE they take away the best 2 hour episode Star Trek ever had? I love Scott Bakula, so I’ll at least have to check it out. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2001, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/27 "2001-06-19T14:52:18Z")
I am excited about the new series and I hope it will work out. The first few shows of TNG were bad even by Voyager standards. (Save us Weasel Boy, save us!) I really want to see what they do with the ship and with the props. All their tech has gotten smaller from TOS (phasers, tricorders, communicators) so I want to see what they look like in the time frame they have set the show. I hope their engineer will have actualy tools and not just some fancy flashlight that you shine on a circuit board and say ‘all better’. **Annie-Xmas** don’t you think they should do a Pike story and have Ray Liotta play Pike? Would’nt that be cool if like Pike and the throbbing butt-heads showed up to help out Picard or Sisko? I always thought it would be. ---
**Author:** ![Tornado\_Siren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Tornado\_Siren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tornado_Siren)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2001, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/28 "2001-06-19T15:14:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\*It will rock, because I am a hopeless optimist. 😃 > > I figure with Scott Bakula having some creative control, and being a Trek fan, things might just be more plot and character-driven than Voyager was. \*\* slight hijack here folks…sorry, cant control myself. In my best Homer Simpson voice…Scott Bakula…MMMMMMMMM ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2001, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/29 "2001-06-20T04:47:29Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **matt\_mcl** _ > > And (very parenthetically) this is early Federation, before they had time to genetically alter all the fags & dykes out of existence, so I hope I see some of us. Thank you. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **MGibson** _ > > Sorry, no can do. They were genetically altered during the time when Khan’s people ruled the Earth. Wrong on both counts, boys. Even though Roddenberry was quoted very early on in TNG that homosexuality didn’t exist, this was quickly quashed once he was out of the picture, and it is my understanding from Braga _et al._ that yes, there are queers in space, they just haven’t bothered to show us any. HOWEVER, go read the TNG “Section 31” novel (I don’t recall the name at the moment). It actually introduces an openly gay character! Yes, remember Lt. Hawk, the cutie Conn officer from “First Contact?” Before being assimilated by the Borg, he had a male Trill lover on the Enterprise-E. 😃 Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2001, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/30 "2001-06-20T04:51:52Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **MGibson** _ > > I am so sick of characters that do not change or develope over the course of the series. Even Garrett Wang would agree with you here. There were two quotes in this last season of “Voyager” made by Harry Kim, one about the fact that he never seemed to get laid and/or have a girlfriend (although we all know about him and Tom {wink wink nudge nudge}), and he also made a crack about the fact that Tom had been promoted, demoted, and promoted again while serving onboard, and he remained, after seven years, a lowly ensign. Very, very sad indeed. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![ssj\_man2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ssj\_man2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ssj_man2k)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2001, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/31 "2001-06-20T06:40:45Z")
OK i guess i see where all of you are coming from. I never saw the original series, but i hear it had extremely good writing. Lets all hope that this new series goes back to that. One thing that annoyed me about the first series though: the klingons were just ppl painted green and given funky eyebrows and point facial hair. I’m really scared of that. ---
**Author:** ![Hazel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e56c9b/32.png) [@Hazel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hazel)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2001, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/32 "2001-06-20T07:05:09Z")
I agree that Voyager was not as good as the other STs. But I do think some of the characters changed/developed. Tom Paris, for one. And, I LIKED the Year of Hell episode. My predictions for the new show: (1)There will be at least one time travel episode in which a character or characters from the other STs interact with the characters of the new show. (2)Guinon and/or Dax and/or Q will show up. Why not, they were all alive long enough ago. Not that I’m complaining. If it’s a good plot, I’d welcome the occurance of either (1) or (2). Re gays, I cirtainly HOPE a few will be seen. ---
**Author:** ![Hazel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e56c9b/32.png) [@Hazel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hazel)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2001, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/33 "2001-06-20T07:06:42Z")
Hummm… Now I’m wondering which Dax it will be? The deranged killer, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2001, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/34 "2001-06-20T07:10:04Z")
We shouldn’t be seeing any Trills (unless they don’t make it known that that’s what they are) as we first met them in a TNG episode (the one where Beverly fell in love with one of them, and his symbiont had to be put into Riker to keep it alive - you remember, back before the Trills had spots… :rolleyes: ). Same goes for the Ferengi and the Borg and Q. On the plus side, they could delve into first contact with the Vulcans ('natch), Klingons (which I understand will be a big part of at least the first season - why we went to war with them in the first place, the oft-alluded-to “disastrous first contact” that caused the war and made us install a first contact policy and Prime Directive), Tellerites, Andorians, Romulans, and other species that we never saw after TOS. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2001, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/35 "2001-06-20T09:37:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Enderw24 \* > \*\*And there must have been some fantastic power struggle if humans go from being initiated into the Federation to damn near running it in 200 years. \*\* Hey, I thought Humans and Vulcans **founded** the Federation. Don’t ask me why, that’s just the impression that I get watching things. I’m still wondering what “shibby” means 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2001, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/36 "2001-06-20T09:41:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Weird\_AL\_Einstein \* > First, give me one of those “specific references” from the TOS… Dude, I am sorry for flaking on you like that. I don’t usually turn down a specific request. I just overlooked your post on subsequent readings. One? Okay, because that’s about all I can manage from memory, and I may screw that up. It’s in _Charlie X_ IIRC. The Captain receives word from the galley that the artificial turkeys have been transformed into _real_ turkeys. Here’s me hoping I’m not hallucinating my memory of that line: 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2001, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/37 "2001-06-20T12:47:32Z")
Shibby is geek for “cool”, since I don’t like “cool”. Anyway… I’ll deffy have to check out that Section 31 novel! I read the endpapers and learned that the novelist was gay, but I didn’t read the book. It may be time for another trip to Chapters 🙂 FWIW, I know there was a human lesbian character in the novel _The Best and the Brightest_. By the way, didn’t we learn from “Trials and Tribble-ations” (DS9) that one of Dax’s hosts had met Leonard McCoy? (I know for a fact that the story is told in that short story collection about the lives of Dax). I think it was Audrid or Emony Dax. (I’m the only person I know who can name all of Dax’s hosts: Lela, Tobin, Audrid, Emony, Torias, Joran, Curzon, Jadzia, Verad, Ezri, and Yedrin [alternate timeline]. Am I the ubernerd or what?) BTW, on cooking: Another ST-VI reference, but during the Valeris phaser scene, the Enterprise’s galley itself is depicted. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2001, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/38 "2001-06-20T13:03:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\* > > Wrong on both counts, boys. Even though Roddenberry was quoted very early on in TNG that homosexuality didn’t exist, this was quickly quashed once he was out of the picture, and it is my understanding from Braga _et al._ that yes, there are queers in space, they just haven’t bothered to show us any. \*\* Um, I was just kidding about that whole genetic thing. Of course they had queers in space. Remember the Trill episode with Beverly Crusher? Her trill beau got transferred to a female host and still wanted to hook up with her. She basically said she didn’t swing that way and that was the end of that. > [@](#): > > \*\* > HOWEVER, go read the TNG “Section 31” novel (I don’t recall the name at the moment). It actually introduces an openly gay character! Yes, remember Lt. Hawk, the cutie Conn officer from “First Contact?” Before being assimilated by the Borg, he had a male Trill lover on the Enterprise-E. 😃 > > Esprix \*\* Ah, but as you said earlier the books are not canon. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2001, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/39 "2001-06-20T15:23:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Barbarian \* > \*\*Hey, I thought Humans and Vulcans **founded** the Federation. Don’t ask me why, that’s just the impression that I get watching things. \*\* \ The founding members of the Federation were the Humans, the Vulcans, the Centarians, the Tellarites, and the Andorrans. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2001, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/40 "2001-06-20T15:34:17Z")
Mirror universe Kira seemed pretty aggressively bisexual to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203.md?page=3)