# New Star Trek series **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2001, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203 "2001-06-18T07:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2001, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/61 "2001-06-21T09:24:20Z")
_sigh_ What you need is me. Esprix: yes, such a speech really and truly was delivered. It wasn’t in the pilot, but in a subsequent episode (which one specifically escapes me at the moment), possibly the first one in which Sandrine’s is depicted. And they had to schedule their holodeck time in TNG and DS9, too. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2001, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/62 "2001-06-21T09:33:19Z")
And MEBuckner: In order to reduce the size of a replicator pattern to something that can reasonably be stored in their computer, they have to store it at molecular (cargo) resolution rather than quantum (living things) resolution, which is used for transport. So saith Sternbach and Okuda. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2001, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/63 "2001-06-21T10:52:43Z")
A compromise for the “Replicator in TOS” controversy: Let’s just say that they had a cheap, no-frills version of a replicator, okay? Instead of rearranging food on a molecular level, they rearrange food on a macro level. I.E.- they store slices of turkey and bread, and jars of mayo and mustard (and whatever else you want on a sandwich) and then it teleports the individual condiments onto a plate. In the Tribbles episode, the transporter just happened to snag a couple of those cute lil’ furballs. And the Galley exists because, sometimes, you want a hand-made meal. NOW SHUT UP ABOUT IT ALREADY!!! Sheesh. Star Wars has never been plagued with this sort of problem. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2001, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/64 "2001-06-21T12:59:42Z")
No, **SPOOFE** , I don’t think we can do that. It was established in TOS that transporter technology wasn’t terribly advanced, and intra-ship beaming was considered very dangerous (they only did it a few times in TOS, and every time remarked about how dangerous it was). Given that, I very much doubt they would have been using the transporter for such trivial purposes as assembling sandwiches. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2001, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/65 "2001-06-21T13:08:21Z")
**MEBuckner** : > [@](#): > > And what is with this “home cooking is better than replicated” thing that crops up all the time? It’s psychological, obviously. Just like today, a Van Gogh is considered better than a print of the same Van Gogh or handmade furniture is better than the same furniture mass-produced at a factory and then bought at Ikea. In the future world of Star Trek, people don’t have to work for anything, so artists who choose to work and become good at something will be admired for their effort. That’s why visitors to New Orleans flock to Sisko’s instead of just replicating their jambalaya. Plus, perfection is boring. Voyager could have made this point about the Borg, but it’s just another of the many balls they dropped over the years. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2001, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/66 "2001-06-21T15:49:04Z")
SPOOFE wrote: > [@](#): > > Sheesh. Star Wars has never been plagued with this sort of problem. Yeah. _Star Wars_ just has spacecraft that maneuver like World War II fighter planes, and a super unbelievably powerful energy field technology that they use to make … um, swords. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2001, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/67 "2001-06-21T17:42:20Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by MrAtoz \* > \*\* Like Weird\_AL, I have never heard of the Centarians. My suspicion is that this may come from one of the novels, and has somehow crept into Trek lore. In any case, I don’t think it’s canonical._\* It’s not canonical. As was mentioned, it was included as a backstory in an RPG (Actually, 2, because it’s discussed in The Last Unicorn’s recent release of a Trek RPG), and in fact is contradicted in canon by ST:VIII, But I really don’t like ST:VIII. 🙂 TOS episode Metamorphosis calls Zephram Cochrane “Zephram Cochrane of Alpha Centauri”, but I suppose he could have just moved there after he created the warp drive. ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2001, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/68 "2001-06-21T18:37:30Z")
Hey, at least it’s not going to be Star Trek: 90210. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2001, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/69 "2001-06-21T23:03:40Z")
That is correct - Zephram Cochrane moved to Alpha Centauri. Speaking of, I don’t think it’s the “Centarians,” I think it’s the Alpha Centauri, from what I remember from my Treklore. I need to go unpack my books and find my Star Trek Encyclopedia and TNG episode guide… Esprix ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2001, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/70 "2001-06-22T00:25:22Z")
You wanna know what the first episode will be about? Click [here.](http://www.scifispace.com/html/stepisodes.html) (There are no spoilers; it’s similar to what you might read in _TV Guide_.) Take note of the names of three officers: Forrest, Leonard and Williams. (Obviously taken from DeForest Kelley, Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner.) I’ll probably watch the whole thing, good or bad. (I’m hopelessly addicted to _Trek_! I’ve actually read the novels written by Shatner! :eek: ) ---
**Author:** ![Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c67d28/32.png) [@Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weird_AL_Einstein)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2001, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/71 "2001-06-22T01:07:49Z")
What can I say? To keep this up, I am going to have to go back and re-watch TOS and take notes. Keep in mind 2 things though: 1 TOS, like the other Treks and all pop sci-fi for that matter, had it’s inconsistencies, so we could have replicators in one ep, fast food style galley in another 2 The tribbles in (replicator/microwave/whatever) never really made sense, whatever it actually was. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2001, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/72 "2001-06-22T02:29:06Z")
Why is everyone getting worked up about the replicators, when the issue of Spock no longer being the first alien in Starfleet is now in contention? Surely the total rejiggering of continuity to that level is serious stuff! Or is Spock never meant to have been the first alien in Starfleet after all? ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2001, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/73 "2001-06-22T02:44:48Z")
IIRC, Spock was the first _Vulcan_ to join Star Fleet, not the first alien. The implication was that Vulcans were too snooty to join up, until Spock made it okay. ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2001, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/74 "2001-06-22T03:08:28Z")
It _is_ Alpha Centauri, and I know this because I’ve got an original Star Fleet Technical Manual lying around somewhere. It gives the Centaurian alphabet, which looks (by some amazing coincidence) exactly like Greek. ---
**Author:** ![drewbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drewbert/32/15890_2.png) [@drewbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewbert)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2001, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/75 "2001-06-22T03:08:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tuckerfan \* > \*\*IIRC, Spock was the first _Vulcan_ to join Star Fleet, not the first alien. The implication was that Vulcans were too snooty to join up, until Spock made it okay. \*\* Yeah, but the first officer in this new show is a Vulcan. I think. Anyway, I think I heard that this new show takes place before Starfleet even gets started. (Even in the early TOS episodes, Kirk was working for the “United Earth Space Probe Agency” or something like that…) ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2001, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/76 "2001-06-22T03:09:11Z")
SPOOFE: Fair enough. Misread you. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > **By the way, didn’t we learn from “Trials and Tribble-ations” (DS9) that one of Dax’s hosts had met Leonard McCoy? (I know for a fact that the story is told in that short story collection about the lives of Dax). I think it was Audrid or Emony Dax.** Emony. They had an apparently memorable affair when McCoy was a college student. ‘I always knew he had the hands of a surgeon…’ ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2001, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/77 "2001-06-22T04:56:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dijon Warlock \* > \*\*It _is_ Alpha Centauri, and I know this because I’ve got an original Star Fleet Technical Manual lying around somewhere. It gives the Centaurian alphabet, which looks (by some amazing coincidence) exactly like Greek. \*\* I’ve just been forgetting the u in my attempt to turn Centauri into an adjective. And the reason that it looks like Greek is because the Centaurians (Ha!) are decended from ancient Greeks that the Preservers scooped up and put on Alpha Centauri, and, I guess, unlike on Earth, alphabets on Alpha Centauri don’t change over 2000 years. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2001, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/78 "2001-06-22T05:01:26Z")
Sent the link posted by **Sir Rhosis** to a buddy of mine who looked at it and asked a question which is so screamingly obvious that I almost pounded my head into pulp when he asked it because I didn’t think of it first. The Klingon ship. What’s up with that? You mean to tell me that the Klingons are using the same design for centuries, while the Federation keeps on advancing? As my friend put it, “I know the Klingons have issues, but man, they’re not stupid!” ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2001, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/79 "2001-06-22T05:19:59Z")
As I think somebody may have already mentioned, it’s also going to be really interesting to see if the Klingons are Old-Fashioned Smooth-Foreheaded Klingons or Newfangled Bumpy-Foreheaded Klingons, and if we’ll finally get some kind of Official Explanation on this. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2001, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/80 "2001-06-22T05:40:29Z")
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