# New Star Trek series **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2001, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203 "2001-06-18T07:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/141 "2001-06-30T01:51:18Z")
> [@](#): > > There are no gays in the Star Wars universe… Sure there are. Crix Madine was gay. Mon Mothma was a lesbian. Lumpawarrump (Chewie’s son) was gay. Jabba the Hutt was bisexual. Jacen Solo (Han’s son) was gay. Admiral Hiram Drayson (of Alpha Blue) was bisexual. Mara Jade was bisexual (even though she wound up with Luke). Sheesh, 'Sprix, doesn’t your gaydar work? ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/142 "2001-06-30T02:03:28Z")
Sure, I know about “The Offspring” (TNG), the one with the androgynous society. Way to kiss off the issue with one show - about a STRAIGHT couple, no less! I also know about “The Host” (TNG), with Beverly unable to stay in love with a Trill once it’s put in a woman’s body; “Rejoined” (DS9), involving Jadzia meeting the new female host of Torias Dax’s wife; “Warlord” (VOY) involving a warrior taking over Kes’ body and having a liaison with his girlfriend; “Infinite Regress” (VOY) involving 7 of 9, possessed by a Klingon warrior, initiating a mating ritual with B’Elanna; “Body and Soul” (VOY) involving the Doctor in 7’s body being seduced by an alien captain; and “Renaissance Man” (VOY) involving the Doctor in the shape of B’Elanna smooching Tom. I did notice that in all these cases the same-sex liaison was in some way due to an opposite-sex liaison. Jeez, don’t people ever fuck people of the same sex when they’re **not** possessed by aliens or in somebody else’s body? And I don’t exactly appreciate the “let’s show how evil mirror-Kira is by having her seduce Jennifer Sisko and Ezri” dyxploitation subplot of the DS9 mirror universe storyline, either. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/143 "2001-06-30T02:26:45Z")
matt\_mcl wrote: “And I don’t exactly appreciate the “let’s show how evil mirror-Kira is by having her seduce Jennifer Sisko and Ezri” dyxploitation subplot of the DS9 mirror universe storyline, either.” I, for one, deeply, deeply appreciated that subplot. SPOOFE wrote: “Sheesh, 'Sprix, doesn’t your gaydar work?” Cloaking devices? ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/144 "2001-06-30T04:20:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Number Six \* > None of the six actors who’ve played James Bond look even remotely alike other than being tall, dark-haired, and British, yet we accept them all (except maybe Lazenby) as Bond. > \*\* Let’s continue the picking on Number Six hijack. 🙂 Nationalities of Bond Actors 101 Barry Nelson–American Sean Connery–Scottish George Lazenby–Australian Roger Moore–BRITISH! Timothy Dalton–Welsh Pierce Brosnan–Irish For some reason, I’m sitting here thinking that I am misremembering Mr Lazenby’s first name… is it George? A bit of trivia regarding “The Outcast.” Jonthan Frakes has been quoted (somewhere, I swear I remember reading this) as saying that the producers missed the boat on this by not having the balls to go with his suggestion and casting a male actor as Soren (I believe that was the being’s name). Sir Rhosis ---
**Author:** ![Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c67d28/32.png) [@Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weird_AL_Einstein)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/145 "2001-06-30T04:56:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miller \* > \*\*matt\_mcl wrote: > > “And I don’t exactly appreciate the “let’s show how evil mirror-Kira is by having her seduce Jennifer Sisko and Ezri” dyxploitation subplot of the DS9 mirror universe storyline, either.” > > I, for one, deeply, deeply appreciated that subplot. > > \*\* Oh, damn. I don’t believe I missed that. Dammit all to hell…I shoulda kept watching that show after the third season. Damn. ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/146 "2001-06-30T05:12:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sir Rhosis \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Number Six \* > > None of the six actors who’ve played James Bond look even remotely alike other than being tall, dark-haired, and British, yet we accept them all (except maybe Lazenby) as Bond. > > \*\* > > Let’s continue the picking on Number Six hijack. 🙂 > > Nationalities of Bond Actors 101 > > Barry Nelson–American > Sean Connery–Scottish > George Lazenby–Australian > Roger Moore–BRITISH! > Timothy Dalton–Welsh > Pierce Brosnan–Irish > > For some reason, I’m sitting here thinking that I am misremembering Mr Lazenby’s first name… is it George? > > Sir Rhosis \*\* I excepted Lazenby in my post. And I was referring to appearance, not nationality. But if we’re going to nit-pick . . . British is a general term that refers to either residents of Great Britain or the UK, which include Wales and Scotland. Thus, Connery, Moore, Dalton, and David Niven are all British (I was referring to the movies, so the sixth man is Niven, not Barry Nelson). But you’ve got me on Pierce Brosnan (unless you read British in the sense of residents of the British Isles, which would then include Ireland, and thus Brosnan). Actually, though, this strengthens my argument. We readily accept all these different men with different accents and physical appearances as Bond. Without explanation. Trying to explain the differing appearances (of Bond, the Klingons, or any other character mentioned)is unnecessary and silly. Now I’ll probably get someone claiming that the men who’ve played Wong Fei Hung weren’t all Chinese. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/147 "2001-06-30T06:14:27Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Number Six** _ > > Maybe, but at least I’ve kissed a girl. Have you any idea to whom you are speaking? 😉 Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/148 "2001-06-30T06:20:49Z")
Number Six, I know, just having fun, though I would argue that we viewers know and accept that we’re getting a new Bond (or Tarzan, or Sherlock Holmes, etc.) each time, and thus we don’t try to make all the movies consistent, don’t try to make them fit one single time-line. With Trek, the characters of Kor, Kang and Koloth were played by Colicos, Ansara and Campbell exactly as if (and correctly, I might add) they were older versions of the characters from TOS–the same characters on the same time-line. Thus, I think we can legitimately ask for an explanation of why they went from smooth to bumpy. But it’s all in fun, anyway, and one explanation is as good as another. Patrick McGoohan was born in America, btw, but enough of that. Uh… who is Wong Fei Hung? asked Sir Rhosis, atempting to get Number Six to fight his ignorance for him. Sir Rhosis ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/149 "2001-06-30T07:17:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Katisha \* > Which board? I hang around a few of them myself… Sorry to take so long to get back to you. I forgot about this thread. (Hard to believe, I know, but IMHO isn’t one of my regular fora.) The board I was refering to is [trekbbs.com](http://trekbbs.com) . It’s a little snippy there, though, and I’ve gotten bored after a short time. Can you recomend a better one? ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/150 "2001-06-30T08:42:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sir Rhosis \* > \*\*Number Six, > > I know, just having fun, though I would argue that we viewers know and accept that we’re getting a new Bond (or Tarzan, or Sherlock Holmes, etc.) each time, and thus we don’t try to make all the movies consistent, don’t try to make them fit one single time-line. With Trek, the characters of Kor, Kang and Koloth were played by Colicos, Ansara and Campbell exactly as if (and correctly, I might add) they were older versions of the characters from TOS–the same characters on the same time-line. Thus, I think we can legitimately ask for an explanation of why they went from smooth to bumpy. But it’s all in fun, anyway, and one explanation is as good as another. > > Patrick McGoohan was born in America, btw, but enough of that. > > Uh… who is Wong Fei Hung? asked Sir Rhosis, atempting to get Number Six to fight his ignorance for him. > > Sir Rhosis \*\* The official James Bond movies are considered to be part of a single continuity, at least by EON. Wong Fei Hung is a Chinese folk hero based on an actual man of the same name who was a doctor/kung fu master/freedom fighter, and who is sometimes credited with inventing a form of Drunken Boxing (Drunken Monkey, I think). Over 100 Hong Kong movies have been made about him, and nearly every major Hong Kong action star has played him. In the _Once Upon a Time in China_ series he is played by Jet Li in the first three and last two, with Man Chiuk Chui playing him in 4 and 5. Jackie Chan played Wong in the Drunken Master movies. ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/151 "2001-06-30T08:50:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by **Number Six** _ > > > > Maybe, but at least I’ve kissed a girl. > > Have you any idea to whom you are speaking? 😉 > > Esprix \*\* I was making a reference to the classic SNL skit with William Shatner at a Star Trek convention. At one point, he goes berzerk and tells the geeks asking questions to “Get a Life!” and asks one unfortunate soul “Have you ever kissed a girl?” Of course, a _real_ Star Trek geek would have recongnized the reference. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/152 "2001-06-30T08:57:12Z")
Oh, no, I quite got the reference. “Um, er, I was, of course, acting as Captain Kirk from episode… {whisper whisper whisper} 45 where he gets possessed by {whisper whisper whisper} an evil alien and acts mean.” I just wasn’t sure if it was a weird sort of jab at me, being the **Gay Guy** and all… Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/153 "2001-06-30T09:05:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\*Oh, no, I quite got the reference. “Um, er, I was, of course, acting as Captain Kirk from episode… {whisper whisper whisper} 45 where he gets possessed by {whisper whisper whisper} an evil alien and acts mean.” > > I just wasn’t sure if it was a weird sort of jab at me, being the **Gay Guy** and all… > > Esprix \*\* I wasn’t aware of your sexual orientation. No offense was intended, and I wouldn’t have made such a reference had I known. Consider the comment changed to “Maybe, but at least I have a life.” But, damn, that’s irony for you. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/154 "2001-06-30T09:12:30Z")
Here’s one for the “get a life” category. Unfortunately for my “life” or lack thereof, I was well aware that the episode number that Shatner gives in that skit for “The Enemy Within” was way off from that episode’s actual production order. Shatner does say 45 or something like that, while “The Enemy Within” is acually very early in the first season, more like 7 or 8. Sir Rhosis (can we hijack this guy’s thread anymore than this?) P. S. Number Six, thanks for the info on Wong Fei Hung, I’ll have to look into those films. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/155 "2001-06-30T09:23:33Z")
Lives are irrelevant. You will be absorbed by the Star Trek collective. Resistance is futile. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/156 "2001-06-30T11:28:09Z")
I dunno, 'Sprix, you really should kiss a girl sometime. They’re cute. And lovely-shaped. And breasts are nice. And they (usually) smell nice. And taste nice. And breasts are nice. And they sound good when they laugh. And breasts are nice. Breast, breasts, breasts… ::ahem:: What? What’s all this about Star Trek? Star Trek and breasts? Huh? Mmmmm… breasts… (I think it’s time for me to go to bed) ---
**Author:** ![Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c67d28/32.png) [@Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weird_AL_Einstein)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/157 "2001-06-30T12:04:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\* > > What? > > What’s all this about Star Trek? Star Trek and breasts? Huh? > > Mmmmm… breasts… > > \*\* Mmmmmm…Counselor Deanna Troi in her “bunny” costume…“Captain, I sense great…horniness…” Heh-heh 😃 ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/158 "2001-06-30T12:35:44Z")
Well, I said a long time ago that even I’d “make an exception” for Ezri Dax. Yow! ---
**Author:** ![Katisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bcef8e/32.png) [@Katisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katisha)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/159 "2001-06-30T17:20:27Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Alan Smithee \* \*\* > [@](#): > > The board I was refering to is [trekbbs.com](http://trekbbs.com) . It’s a little snippy there, though, and I’ve gotten bored after a short time. Can you recomend a better one? \*\* I used to post at trekbbs, but I don’t post there much anymore because it’s awfully obnoxious. However, I can’t think of a better one that gets much traffic – [psiphi.org](http://psiphi.org) used to have some great boards, but it’s awfully quiet these days. (They’re going to put up a board for Enterprise, though, so that may change.) ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2001, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203/160 "2001-06-30T19:37:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sir Rhosis \* > **Unfortunately for my “life” or lack thereof, I was well aware that the episode number that Shatner gives in that skit for “The Enemy Within” was way off from that episode’s actual production order. Shatner does say 45 or something like that, while “The Enemy Within” is acually very early in the first season, more like 7 or 8.** Well, even [“Enemy Within”](http://www.startrek.com/library/episodes_tos_detail.asp?ID=68670) would not qualify as an episode where Kirk gets “possessed by an evil alien and acts mean” (to paraphrase **Esprix** ). In “EW”, Kirk is split into two beings, one good and one evil by a malfunctioning Transporter. And it was episode #5. In fact, there was NEVER an episode of TOS where Kirk gets possessed by an alien entity. The only one that comes close was the very last show, [“Turnabout Intruder,”](http://www.startrek.com/library/episodes_tos_detail.asp?ID=68818) where Dr. Janice Lester forces Kirk into a mind/body switch. Since Lester was human this would not qualify as “alien” possession. I shoulda been a lawyer. Or a Vulcan. Do I get the award for “Geekiest Trek Fan”? 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-star-trek-series/69203.md?page=9)